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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg so the news comes

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this week in the wake of the failure of

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the movie John Carter which of course is

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based on Princess of Mars about an

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ancient civilization on Mars an earth

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man who goes to Mars by some kind of

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astral projection or something like that

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a remote viewing and becomes a hero and

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now we learned there is a discovery and

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analysis of 36 year old data showing

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Martian bacteria now Martian bacteria is

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not 14 feet high with four arms but it's

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life yeah where's Richard Hoagland when

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you need them surprised we haven't heard

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from from deke poop well be funny is

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that what we discovered to be the real

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situation of life on Mars we'll probably

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have nothing whatever to do with his

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claims yeah but that that is a bombshell

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I mean that you know to find life on

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another celestial body is that's big

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news it really is it really is and it

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may mean that there are more

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sophisticated creatures under the

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surface of Mars because consider if

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you're looking at the surface and you've

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got you know little ice pockets and

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stuff like that what's happening in

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caves what's happening beneath the

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surface or is this and maybe this

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harkens back to our discussion last week

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some sort of gradual disclosure I guess

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the jury's out on that but wouldn't

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surprise me can believe almost anything

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I'll tell you though that's interesting

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in our forums since ray Stanford came on

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the show we have had no end of comments

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in our forums boy that's an

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understatement

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the hits keep on coming it hasn't been I

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don't know in a year or two that we've

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seen that level of interest any guest

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then we understands both ways in terms

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of opinion some people who believe what

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he has to say some asaurus sceptical

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some say put up or shut up well it's

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it's gonna continue

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along those those very contentious lines

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until ray finally puts it up and shuts

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everybody up and the only way that's

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going to happen is if he he's able to

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present his data in a scientific I guess

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arena for lack of a better term and have

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that data examined by you know physicist

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and others who are credentialed in the

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particular fields that Ray has been

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diving into for quite some time now and

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I think that probably the best way to do

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that is to interest one of these

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physicists who actually present his data

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for him and once that happens then I

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think some of the Bluebirds and the

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skeptics out there will have something

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else to chew on now I'm wondering

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passing here whether race stanford was

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right to say anything at all if he's not

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ready to reveal the information because

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this is what's going to happen people

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are going to say oK we've had claims

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over the years in the UFO field in

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general paranormal research about people

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who claim to have evidence of what's

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going on really significant evidence and

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they never produce so why should we

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believe you unless you produce it maybe

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he would have been better not to go on

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radio not to announce anything just keep

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quiet until he has something he's able

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to present because you know obviously we

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can't force him you know you can do

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whatever he wants but just looking at it

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from a politically correct point of view

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maybe this wasn't the way to do it well

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again we had Ray on the show you know we

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have to put this latest appearance here

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at the para cast into context Chris

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Lambright book for anyone out there

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who's interested enough to get the facts

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behind the whole leak Mirabeau you know

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the claim that leak Mirabeau was

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inspired to come up with cutting-edge

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technological ideas that are being put

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into practice as we speak based on you

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know Ray's analytical work that he

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exposed to Mirabeau and if you take the

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time to read Chris's incredibly well

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researched book

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about this you will find some pretty

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good smoking gun evidence that the claim

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by Stanford and now I guess supported by

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by Chris and is work is it holds water

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and having seen a good bit of this

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scientific data that Ray has been

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touting for the past three four years

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now I'm convinced that Ray's on the

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right track with this and of course that

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totally opens me up for all sorts of ad

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hominem attacks and you know claims that

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I'm too close to him and and I'm this

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and I'm that and I've drank you know I

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slurp the the Ray Stanford jello or

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however you want to put it and you know

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gene I don't care I'm a straight shooter

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I'm a lot more skeptical than I think

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some of my detractors at the forums

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would like you to believe and I have

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never encountered anyone that has come

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close to the quality of work and

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analytical and observational acuity the

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rais'd effort has and I'm sorry if he

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can find dinosaur tracks that a hundreds

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of thousands of people walked over yet

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he's the guy that finds them and totally

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writes the book on East Coast

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paleontology I would think that he would

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have that same ability and visual

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observational acuity to do the same

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thing looking up and especially do the

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fact that he's been able to actually

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amass quite a interesting collection of

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films again films not video and in still

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photographs of these cases which he is

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just incredibly the the process that he

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is undergone in the past four years is

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is really admirable and he's gonna have

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the last laugh and I you know I don't

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care what anybody on the forum says I

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have never encountered any body or any

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body of work that comes close to to what

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ray is accomplished and there are some

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developments on the scientific front

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with Ray which I'm right not right now

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I'm not allowed to really discuss but

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I can't wait to kind of end the

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conversation at least this portion of it

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in terms of raise credibility that

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portion of the conversation I can't wait

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for this to be put behind us because

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quite frankly I was rather insulted by

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some of the comments that were made

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equated him with Steven Greer and you

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know some other names that were bannard

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about well you know one thing here to

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which we have to bear in mind whether

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you believe what race stanford has to

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say or not he's not selling books he's

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not selling swag he's not going on a

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lecture tour he's not asking for

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donations he's not telling you give me a

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thousand dollars and I'll take you on a

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trip to see the aliens he's not doing a

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see set he's not running a cult the guy

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doesn't even have a website so that's a

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big point that's very important because

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any time you hear a claim and you have a

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problem with it you look at the

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commercial motive oh he's gonna write a

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book he's gonna do this he's gonna cash

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in he's doing none of that no actually

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what he's doing is attempting to step up

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to the plate and provide science modern

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diagnostic science with new insights and

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potentially new tools to to look at very

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cutting-edge data that that his sole

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purpose is to pull humanity helpfully

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humanities knowledge forward and that's

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that's quite a testament to his

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selflessness in this in this whole arena

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and you know people forget about that

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they tend to think that there's some

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grand design there's some you know

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monetary motivation or he wants to

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become the next guru is there about just

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wanting to tell people what you know if

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you think you've got some solid

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information that takes us to our guest

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and this is kind of I guess another

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unified theory for the paranormal in

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reality and it's a book called behind

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the cosmic veil from Thomas Fusco yes

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and we're going to I think this is gonna

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be a fascinating show I haven't had a

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chance to fully read his book but he

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comes up with some very very

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intriguing analysis of where we are

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right now and are in our knowledge of

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the physical universe and and he equates

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he sums it all up in a in a theory that

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he's given the name super geometry to

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and I I'm really looking forward to

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meeting him on the air and getting him

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to really kind of give us a real sense

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of how he even arrived at this theory

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and and I think some of the answers

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he'll give for that question are gonna

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surprise people the book is called

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behind the cosmic veil the author Thomas

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Fusco will come up next with Jean and

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cast with Gene and Chris Thomas Fusco

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he's author of this book called behind

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the cosmic veil and the subtitle is a

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new vision of reality merging science

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the spiritual and the supernatural which

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I guess we can call kind of a unified

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theory of reality but before we start

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with that Thomas like to know your

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background can you tell us just what

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your day job is and what kind of

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experience you have and then we can

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focus on how you got into this well I I

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work in the technology industry the

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field of my research and led up to my

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book has been mostly private work I've

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done independent studying for quite a

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long time as I say in my review there

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that I've spent close to 30 years of

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research preparing for this book and so

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it's pretty much what consumes most of

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my spare time now I know that you and I

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were talking about some computer stuff

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just before we got on but anyway looking

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at it from a person who's into

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technology we kind of look at visions of

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reality and spiritual and supernatural

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we think of them as more emotional

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interests as opposed to intellectual so

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how do you approach this kind of study

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well to begin with there were certain

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premises that I needed to establish that

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were able to help me start with a little

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bit of a different paradigm than what

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had already existed and one of the ideas

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is that and it's very scientifically

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accepted is that the universe is put

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together one way and that's a single

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premise that means every thing

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we observe has to be consistent with

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that one way that the universe has put

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together the universe is not arbitrary

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atoms are assembled in the exact same

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way everywhere that atoms fall together

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from the very beginning of time another

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thing that I mentioned is that you're

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not going to put a turkey in the oven in

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three hours later come out with a v8

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engine when you open the door now unless

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we have a new kind of reality well the

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reality that we're in is much more rigid

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than that

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it certainly has some very well defined

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parameters the two atoms of hydrogen and

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one atom of oxygen combined together in

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a model or in a molecule under standard

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temperature and pressure anywhere in the

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universe are sufficient gravitational

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field to pull those molecules together

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are going to give us a clear liquid that

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we call water anywhere in the universe

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where those conditions are met so it's

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very it is a very definite way that the

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universe is put together it's not

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arbitrary the other aspect of to what

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you were asking is given that then what

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we see in the universe is a system which

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is governed and assembled according to a

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specific set of laws and principles

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we've discovered a lot of them there's

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some of them that we haven't but we know

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that a system like the universe is

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governed by a specific set of laws and

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principles what that means then is that

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every subset of that system must comply

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with those same laws and principles a

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subset of the system cannot operate in a

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way that's contrary to or outside of the

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laws in the principles that govern the

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greater system so when we bring it back

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to down to the human experience as you

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were asking about what we have is the

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human brain the human being itself is

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actually a subset of the greater

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universe therefore everything that is in

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the human brain

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is consistent with the laws in the

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principals from which the human brain

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was was constructed it's the same laws

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and principles that govern the greater

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universe and when we begin to look at

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things with that kind of a paradigm we

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begin begin to take ideas that are

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emotional or experiential or mental or

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personal and begin to project them out

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so to speak and try to look at them in a

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scientific and physical way so did you

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have some kind of Eureka moment an

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epiphany

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Thomas Fusco to say you know what I've

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got something here that maybe hasn't

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been put together quite this way there

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were several of those types of moments

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for me one of them was certainly coming

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to a different kind of an understanding

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when it comes to the nature of gravity

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and that may sound odd with a book

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that's published it has a lot of

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spiritual and paranormal or supernatural

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elements in it but I came to the

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realization that gravity is this force

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that seems to continuously defy

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scientific explanation when we were in

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school we were taught we were told that

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we were taught all about gravity but in

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reality what we were taught about was

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gravitational effect we were never

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really taught about gravity because

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science doesn't have a good picture of

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what gravity actually is so when we

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talked about gravity we were basically

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evaluating what we knew if its effects

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exactly that we know quite well it's

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like knowing the disease in terms of

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symptoms but not knowing because in a

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sense that's correct yes the

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materialistic model of the universe

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which is what science primarily operates

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from physics is the ultimate materialism

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assumes that gravity is a force like the

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strong and weak nuclear forces and

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electromagnetism but in these other

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three basic forces of nature we already

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have discovered a particle that

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propagates itself as a wave to convey

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that force so electromagnetism very

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everybody knows what that is we have a

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particle which is an electron that

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propagates itself as a wave which is the

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electromagnetic field and this is the

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physical substance that actually

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connects to different objects that are

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being influenced by this field like two

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magnets for example there's an actual

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physical connection between them but

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with gravity over decades of research we

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have never discovered a graviton and we

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have never discovered a wave of gravity

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that people might say well we just

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haven't discovered it yet but the case

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is not based on that alone you're

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looking at all kinds of anomalies in in

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terms of scientific understanding

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throughout history that involve gravity

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when Einstein tried to mathematically

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represent his unified field theory he

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was never able to succeed with it

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because he couldn't express gravity in

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four dimensions mathematically when we

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try to reconcile quantum physics with

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general relativity we come up with the

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same problem the stumbling block is

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always gravity we look at the way that

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the universe was formed we shouldn't

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have had this incredible amount of order

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come out of the chaos of the Big Bang

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and the belief is that it was caused by

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gravity but we don't have any model that

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shows how that could be done when we

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look at the standard model of the

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universe which is what physics goes by

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capital s capital M which lists all the

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particles and their interactions and

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forces it's missing one key component

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this is a beginning of a long discussion

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we're going to have Thomas with what

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he's learned and how it fits in with

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what we know about different paranormal

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phenomena the book is behind the cosmic

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veil the guest is Thomas Fusco with Jean

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are you tired of searching for great

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a reclusive veteran burned out from the

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her devastated world a woman not yet

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born calling across centuries to him

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then a coincidence leads him to his

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destiny his chance to alter the universe

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what it sounds like when a burglar kicks

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in the door of a dark house that looks

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like no one is home

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make it look like someone is home

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watching television with fake TV fake TV

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is a small electronic device that makes

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the same light as a real television so

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from outside it looks like someone is

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home watching TV fake TV plugs in just

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like a lamp on a timer

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but as far more convincing to burglars

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fake TV deters burglars cost far less

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than an alarm and is highly recommended

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by numerous police departments use it

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anytime you're away from home to order

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your fake TV for only 3495 go to fake TV

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comm or call one eight seven seven five

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fake TV each additional fake TV is only

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29.95 so get one for you and one for a

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loved one for safety security and peace

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smear and I'm here to say a good word or

605
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two about the para cast which I believe

606
00:27:20,990 --> 00:27:11,910
is the gold standard the paranormal

607
00:27:23,180 --> 00:27:21,000
radio listen to it if you can we have

608
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Thomas Fusco the book is called behind

609
00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:25,050
the cosmic veil and as you can see

610
00:27:30,490 --> 00:27:27,510
listeners this is not something where we

611
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talk about something that involves a

612
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spiritual interpretation but something

613
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that's really nuts and bolts it sounds

614
00:27:40,430 --> 00:27:38,190
like to me so let me ask you something

615
00:27:42,110 --> 00:27:40,440
here I realize you haven't read the book

616
00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:42,120
by this particular person there's a

617
00:27:47,030 --> 00:27:44,100
paranormal investigator who's no longer

618
00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:47,040
with us John keel and he's written a

619
00:27:51,770 --> 00:27:49,710
number of books including the Mothman

620
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Prophecies which was made into a movie

621
00:27:56,090 --> 00:27:53,850
starring Richard Gere but this is the

622
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:56,100
book it's based on he once talked of God

623
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being a computerized intelligence that

624
00:28:05,660 --> 00:28:02,360
might be insane so when we talk about

625
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these laws that govern the universe and

626
00:28:10,580 --> 00:28:07,920
laws that we maybe only barely

627
00:28:13,340 --> 00:28:10,590
understand now do you look at there

628
00:28:17,420 --> 00:28:13,350
being a Supreme Being or force that we

629
00:28:20,210 --> 00:28:17,430
call God well again with my particular

630
00:28:24,170 --> 00:28:20,220
new paradigms that I introduced in my

631
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:24,180
book one of the ideas again goes back to

632
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what I was talking about with a subset

633
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of a greater system which cannot operate

634
00:28:38,810 --> 00:28:35,520
in a way that is contrary to or outside

635
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of the laws and principles that govern

636
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that greater system now normally when we

637
00:28:45,860 --> 00:28:43,860
think of ourselves personally we human

638
00:28:49,070 --> 00:28:45,870
beings are very egotistical and

639
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egocentric for some reason or another we

640
00:28:55,940 --> 00:28:53,160
get this belief that the reality beneath

641
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our skin is somehow different than the

642
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reality outside of ourselves but sorry

643
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:01,320
typically speaking that's not possible

644
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:05,730
so what I say to that is this we on our

645
00:29:11,090 --> 00:29:08,490
planet we know that we have life

646
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:11,100
human beings are alive there's all kinds

647
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of living creatures here so how could

648
00:29:17,390 --> 00:29:14,700
the universe have

649
00:29:20,180 --> 00:29:17,400
Joost something that was contrary to or

650
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:20,190
outside of its own nature so to speak so

651
00:29:25,370 --> 00:29:23,010
just a very fact that we have life means

652
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,380
that the universe itself must also have

653
00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:27,600
life it could not produce something

654
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greater than what it is itself so if we

655
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go to the intelligence question we human

656
00:29:38,690 --> 00:29:36,180
beings are intelligent consequently that

657
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:38,700
intelligence must be derived from the

658
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laws and principles that govern the

659
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greater universe so the universe must

660
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contain or be itself intelligent as well

661
00:29:51,260 --> 00:29:48,260
now that brings us to a greater question

662
00:29:53,230 --> 00:29:51,270
where did universal intelligence come

663
00:29:56,030 --> 00:29:53,240
from and so you could take the

664
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:56,040
materialistic point of view and try to

665
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figure out what physicists have never

666
00:30:03,950 --> 00:30:01,020
been able to reckon how the universe

667
00:30:07,550 --> 00:30:03,960
established its own intelligence its own

668
00:30:09,980 --> 00:30:07,560
order or you have to accept that the

669
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order by which the universe conform to

670
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had to come from something that was out

671
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five of or greater than that universe

672
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:17,490
and so in this instance when you look at

673
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it this way

674
00:30:23,690 --> 00:30:20,550
the idea of an intelligent creator

675
00:30:26,660 --> 00:30:23,700
actually makes more sense than the

676
00:30:27,980 --> 00:30:26,670
atheistic materialistic viewpoint well

677
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:27,990
you know you bring up a really

678
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:30,000
interesting point Thomas and this is

679
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:31,290
something that I've always kind of

680
00:30:37,250 --> 00:30:34,290
puzzled over it's like a science demands

681
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:37,260
such rigorous standards of proof about

682
00:30:41,390 --> 00:30:39,090
pretty much anything that they're

683
00:30:44,660 --> 00:30:41,400
investigating in the material sciences

684
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:44,670
and in in you know just basic science

685
00:30:50,050 --> 00:30:47,490
but one thing I've never been able to to

686
00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:50,060
figure out is how they can somehow

687
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:54,030
justify the whole idea of the Big Bang I

688
00:30:59,450 --> 00:30:56,130
mean it's almost like they're they're

689
00:31:01,520 --> 00:30:59,460
saying give us one miraculous event and

690
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:01,530
then all other miraculous events you

691
00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:04,370
gotta prove yet the very basic

692
00:31:09,890 --> 00:31:07,710
principles that they you know study to

693
00:31:12,590 --> 00:31:09,900
try to try to come to grips with the

694
00:31:15,620 --> 00:31:12,600
whole process of the Big Bang requires a

695
00:31:18,020 --> 00:31:15,630
suspension of disbelief and in in you

696
00:31:22,610 --> 00:31:18,030
need a miracle in order to explain that

697
00:31:24,980 --> 00:31:22,620
well limited in the way that it

698
00:31:27,470 --> 00:31:24,990
approaches things and again this is

699
00:31:28,790 --> 00:31:27,480
something that many lay people are not

700
00:31:31,690 --> 00:31:28,800
quite familiar

701
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:31,700
with scientists whether they're

702
00:31:38,420 --> 00:31:35,760
physicists or botanists or whatever they

703
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:38,430
don't really need to know why a thing

704
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:41,450
happened science is very very practical

705
00:31:48,020 --> 00:31:45,090
all they need to know is how it happens

706
00:31:51,140 --> 00:31:48,030
so for example when we look at the very

707
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:51,150
weird quirkiness that we see in the

708
00:31:56,900 --> 00:31:54,210
subatomic world that is called quantum

709
00:32:01,010 --> 00:31:56,910
physics or quantum mechanics physicists

710
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:01,020
don't feel obligated to explain why the

711
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:04,050
universe behaves this way all they need

712
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:06,810
to know is that it does behave this way

713
00:32:12,620 --> 00:32:09,810
and they can experimentally demonstrate

714
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:12,630
it and they can quantify and qualify it

715
00:32:18,820 --> 00:32:15,210
so when it comes to the Big Bang they

716
00:32:21,410 --> 00:32:18,830
can trace back movements of the various

717
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:21,420
astronomical bodies that we see in the

718
00:32:26,090 --> 00:32:23,730
universe and we can see that they've all

719
00:32:28,420 --> 00:32:26,100
spread out from a particular point

720
00:32:31,220 --> 00:32:28,430
there's other points of evidence that

721
00:32:34,850 --> 00:32:31,230
give us this idea that everything was

722
00:32:37,820 --> 00:32:34,860
once a singularity that exploded but

723
00:32:41,060 --> 00:32:37,830
they feel no need to explain why that

724
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:41,070
occurred and so this is where science

725
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:45,090
actually ends and where philosophy and

726
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:49,050
religion have traditionally filled in

727
00:32:55,340 --> 00:32:52,110
that particular black let's look at some

728
00:32:57,530 --> 00:32:55,350
of the things that relate to our little

729
00:33:00,620 --> 00:32:57,540
corner of the world here because of the

730
00:33:04,340 --> 00:33:00,630
fact that you did bring up paranormal

731
00:33:06,140 --> 00:33:04,350
UFOs so I'm gonna run into UFOs very

732
00:33:09,140 --> 00:33:06,150
quickly here or maybe for an extended

733
00:33:13,580 --> 00:33:09,150
period and that is okay so looking at

734
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:13,590
this overarching reality where do UFOs

735
00:33:17,660 --> 00:33:15,930
fit in or is it just you know et comes

736
00:33:18,860 --> 00:33:17,670
here and obviously we have different

737
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:18,870
levels of advancement around the

738
00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:21,600
universe well I think the first step and

739
00:33:26,420 --> 00:33:24,510
this was one of the other dish salts as

740
00:33:30,110 --> 00:33:26,430
you might say that I came to a

741
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:30,120
realization is that in dealing with the

742
00:33:35,510 --> 00:33:30,930
paranormal

743
00:33:37,490 --> 00:33:35,520
whether it's UFOs or more specific a lot

744
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:37,500
more my study had to do with the kind of

745
00:33:42,409 --> 00:33:39,690
paranormal events that happen in a

746
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:42,419
haunted house we

747
00:33:47,690 --> 00:33:45,570
have traditionally looked at it from a

748
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:47,700
what I would call a criminologist

749
00:33:54,649 --> 00:33:50,850
centric point of view you're gonna have

750
00:33:58,190 --> 00:33:54,659
to explain that yes what I try to do is

751
00:34:01,549 --> 00:33:58,200
I try to compare paranormal research to

752
00:34:05,239 --> 00:34:01,559
the investigations of a police force for

753
00:34:08,409 --> 00:34:05,249
example and they have a criminologist

754
00:34:11,780 --> 00:34:08,419
unit but they also have a forensics unit

755
00:34:15,289 --> 00:34:11,790
and unfortunately because we've been

756
00:34:17,869 --> 00:34:15,299
almost completely blind as to the

757
00:34:20,809 --> 00:34:17,879
physics of paranormal itself

758
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:20,819
everybody has concentrated on the

759
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:24,089
criminology quote/unquote whodunit for

760
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:28,639
example in a paranormal haunting the

761
00:34:35,089 --> 00:34:32,250
predominant thinking is consumed with

762
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:35,099
the idea of spirits and ghosts they're

763
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:38,250
consumed with the criminology of it but

764
00:34:49,309 --> 00:34:42,480
they have almost no forensics to figure

765
00:34:51,950 --> 00:34:49,319
out exactly how whodunit did it now when

766
00:34:54,369 --> 00:34:51,960
we look at UFOs we see the same kinds of

767
00:34:58,819 --> 00:34:54,379
things going on that the thinking is

768
00:35:02,510 --> 00:34:58,829
predominantly centered around whodunit

769
00:35:05,539 --> 00:35:02,520
whether it's a black ops type of a thing

770
00:35:09,309 --> 00:35:05,549
whether it's our own technology or

771
00:35:12,740 --> 00:35:09,319
whether it's aliens from other worlds

772
00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:12,750
these are this is predominantly what the

773
00:35:19,130 --> 00:35:16,710
focus is but what I wanted what I try to

774
00:35:22,819 --> 00:35:19,140
concentrate on is on the forensics

775
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:22,829
itself so when I talk about UFOs or

776
00:35:28,460 --> 00:35:25,410
haunted houses I try to make that

777
00:35:30,770 --> 00:35:28,470
distinction I want to take the aliens

778
00:35:34,490 --> 00:35:30,780
out for a moment I'm not saying that

779
00:35:36,740 --> 00:35:34,500
they're not valid and in the haunted

780
00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:36,750
houses I want to take the ghosts out for

781
00:35:42,650 --> 00:35:39,510
a moment and that helps clear your head

782
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:42,660
to see the actual physics of what's

783
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:46,650
going on well okay but it sounds like a

784
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:49,920
general description here but do we think

785
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:53,730
of UFOs as being something more than

786
00:35:58,980 --> 00:35:55,330
just craft I'm not real

787
00:36:02,070 --> 00:35:58,990
understanding this okay well usually ask

788
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:02,080
me about what I thought about UFOs and

789
00:36:08,250 --> 00:36:04,570
you had mentioned the idea of alien

790
00:36:11,250 --> 00:36:08,260
craft coming from another location so to

791
00:36:13,050 --> 00:36:11,260
speak and what I'm trying to say is that

792
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:13,060
what we need to do is set that kind of

793
00:36:20,010 --> 00:36:15,970
thinking aside first and just look at

794
00:36:23,310 --> 00:36:20,020
the physical phenomena itself and then

795
00:36:27,390 --> 00:36:23,320
we can begin to draw some conclusions on

796
00:36:29,810 --> 00:36:27,400
that and from that we can take that body

797
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:29,820
of understanding and try to join it with

798
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:33,730
various types of Criminology scenarios

799
00:36:38,010 --> 00:36:36,130
and see what fits okay well let's start

800
00:36:40,530 --> 00:36:38,020
to do that in our next segment we have

801
00:36:42,540 --> 00:36:40,540
Thomas Fusco author behind the cosmic

802
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:42,550
veil you're with Gene and Kris you're in

803
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804
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807
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808
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Ecker and you are tuned in to the para

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cast let me tell you what you're gonna

910
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hear stuff here that you probably won't

911
00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:13,210
hear anywhere else hear that George

912
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snoring an interesting view of reality

913
00:41:21,059 --> 00:41:18,490
with Thomas Fusco the book is called

914
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:21,069
behind the cosmic veil with Gene and

915
00:41:28,859 --> 00:41:23,970
Chris and the para cast so okay let us

916
00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:28,869
dissect the effect of UFOs as you

917
00:41:33,660 --> 00:41:30,910
defined it in our previous segment and

918
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:33,670
see where we take it yes okay

919
00:41:39,870 --> 00:41:36,450
let's just take a look at what we see

920
00:41:43,410 --> 00:41:39,880
physically because what we are seeing in

921
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:43,420
these UFO observations has to fall under

922
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:46,410
the category of being a physical effect

923
00:41:53,099 --> 00:41:50,410
if it was not a physical effect we would

924
00:41:55,650 --> 00:41:53,109
not be able to observe it we would not

925
00:41:57,210 --> 00:41:55,660
be able to see anything because there

926
00:41:59,940 --> 00:41:57,220
wouldn't be any kind of a physical

927
00:42:01,829 --> 00:41:59,950
effect interacting with photons that

928
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:01,839
would bounce off of that and enter into

929
00:42:07,140 --> 00:42:03,930
our eyes or our cameras or recording

930
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:07,150
equipment to be able to capture the

931
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:10,089
images of these things and if you can

932
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:13,040
see where I'm coming from I'm

933
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:15,760
and I'm really cutting it down to the

934
00:42:21,070 --> 00:42:18,050
understanding of first grade

935
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:21,080
kindergarten very elementary well that's

936
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:24,170
the kind I understand okay yeah

937
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:27,920
thank you for agreeing with me yes we're

938
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:31,010
we're too often we too often jump beyond

939
00:42:36,940 --> 00:42:33,650
that and oftentimes we miss the obvious

940
00:42:38,830 --> 00:42:36,950
by doing that so when we look at UFOs

941
00:42:41,470 --> 00:42:38,840
for example we can see a number of

942
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:41,480
different characteristics that they seem

943
00:42:48,250 --> 00:42:44,210
to share one of the things is is that

944
00:42:51,450 --> 00:42:48,260
when they look like crafts they are not

945
00:42:54,340 --> 00:42:51,460
constructed according to typical

946
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:54,350
aerodynamics that we're familiar with so

947
00:43:00,250 --> 00:42:57,650
we know that they do not operate in a

948
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:00,260
way that aerodynamics does like a bird

949
00:43:04,090 --> 00:43:02,210
well specifically why we define that

950
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:04,100
further exactly what way don't they

951
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:05,930
operate according to traditional

952
00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:08,720
aerodynamics yes in other words every

953
00:43:14,830 --> 00:43:12,710
way that we know how to affect flight on

954
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:14,840
a macro level on the level that's large

955
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:16,730
enough to produce something that's the

956
00:43:23,410 --> 00:43:20,570
size of these particular objects all has

957
00:43:26,740 --> 00:43:23,420
to do with the aerodynamics of lift and

958
00:43:30,310 --> 00:43:26,750
propulsion we have to propel an object

959
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:30,320
that is constructed in such a way so

960
00:43:36,340 --> 00:43:32,810
that its wings or whatever its structure

961
00:43:39,370 --> 00:43:36,350
is allows the lift of the air to suspend

962
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:39,380
it up like the shape of a wing like a

963
00:43:45,340 --> 00:43:42,890
bird all these kinds of different flying

964
00:43:48,030 --> 00:43:45,350
objects that we're familiar with all

965
00:43:50,020 --> 00:43:48,040
work on this idea there are dynamics

966
00:43:52,900 --> 00:43:50,030
accompanied with propulsion

967
00:43:58,210 --> 00:43:52,910
well these objects that we see what we

968
00:44:01,480 --> 00:43:58,220
call UFOs are not aerodynamic they don't

969
00:44:05,110 --> 00:44:01,490
have a structure that provides that kind

970
00:44:07,870 --> 00:44:05,120
of lift and at the same time there is no

971
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:07,880
visible means of propulsion so we know

972
00:44:13,260 --> 00:44:10,400
number one by looking at them that they

973
00:44:15,820 --> 00:44:13,270
are not designed according to normal

974
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:15,830
aerodynamic physics there is something

975
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:17,210
else going on with them

976
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:20,240
another observation that we see is that

977
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:23,570
we do see them move without any visible

978
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:26,000
or detective detected means of

979
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:26,720
propulsion

980
00:44:34,059 --> 00:44:30,560
and so that's another aspect of of UFOs

981
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:34,069
and we have to take into account now I'm

982
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:35,930
going to jump for a second and go to a

983
00:44:42,099 --> 00:44:38,560
haunted house and poltergeist activity

984
00:44:44,490 --> 00:44:42,109
we see this exact same thing we see

985
00:44:47,710 --> 00:44:44,500
objects that move without any

986
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:47,720
aerodynamics and no means of propulsion

987
00:44:53,290 --> 00:44:50,930
so the resemblance here is both seem to

988
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:53,300
be violating what we understand to be

989
00:44:57,250 --> 00:44:56,089
the normal laws governing these effects

990
00:44:59,950 --> 00:44:57,260
yes

991
00:45:02,859 --> 00:44:59,960
not so much let's say violating let's

992
00:45:07,540 --> 00:45:02,869
just say that they are not consistent

993
00:45:10,420 --> 00:45:07,550
with known aerodynamic and propulsion

994
00:45:12,220 --> 00:45:10,430
principles I wouldn't say they violate

995
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:12,230
those principles because they're not

996
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:14,810
even operating according to yeah it's

997
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:17,930
it's a it's nonconformity basically yes

998
00:45:24,940 --> 00:45:21,530
yes so clearly something is going on

999
00:45:27,550 --> 00:45:24,950
that makes them unidentified or

1000
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:27,560
paranormal now another thing that people

1001
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:29,690
observe is that they observe sometimes

1002
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:32,690
these objects these UFOs they actually

1003
00:45:38,339 --> 00:45:35,440
change shapes and when we see

1004
00:45:41,890 --> 00:45:38,349
apparitions and those different types of

1005
00:45:45,069 --> 00:45:41,900
visible phenomena and haunted houses we

1006
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:45,079
see the exact same thing we see UFOs

1007
00:45:52,270 --> 00:45:48,530
that seem to pop into physical presence

1008
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:52,280
and then disappear in haunted houses we

1009
00:45:56,980 --> 00:45:54,890
see the exact same kind of phenomena now

1010
00:45:59,650 --> 00:45:56,990
that leads to the other question here is

1011
00:46:01,390 --> 00:45:59,660
it possible that UFOs are simply not

1012
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:01,400
obeying what we understand to be the

1013
00:46:06,220 --> 00:46:04,160
laws of flight simply because they're

1014
00:46:07,930 --> 00:46:06,230
designed by another civilization and

1015
00:46:09,490 --> 00:46:07,940
they've reached to a different level

1016
00:46:11,770 --> 00:46:09,500
than what we understand I mean at one

1017
00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:11,780
point heavier-than-air craft seemed to

1018
00:46:16,809 --> 00:46:14,569
be impossible yes but I would put aside

1019
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:16,819
for the moment the idea that it has

1020
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:20,960
anything to do with a alien civilization

1021
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:26,000
as being a cause why because it doesn't

1022
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:29,810
allow us to clearly see what we need to

1023
00:46:34,210 --> 00:46:32,210
focus on which is the other half of what

1024
00:46:37,809 --> 00:46:34,220
you said which is something about

1025
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:37,819
advanced technology or exploiting laws

1026
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:40,130
of physics that we don't understand

1027
00:46:47,650 --> 00:46:44,210
yet why would that not be why wouldn't

1028
00:46:50,190 --> 00:46:47,660
they be originating from some advanced

1029
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:50,200
civilization oh they very well might

1030
00:46:54,820 --> 00:46:52,850
what I'm trying to do and this is what

1031
00:46:57,310 --> 00:46:54,830
has made my work so different in

1032
00:47:00,040 --> 00:46:57,320
everything that's come before it is that

1033
00:47:03,100 --> 00:47:00,050
I've set different or set the

1034
00:47:07,300 --> 00:47:03,110
criminology aside for a moment let's say

1035
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:07,310
we don't know whether these crafts are

1036
00:47:11,620 --> 00:47:09,530
coming from another planet

1037
00:47:13,630 --> 00:47:11,630
we don't know whether it's something

1038
00:47:17,170 --> 00:47:13,640
that our government has developed and is

1039
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:17,180
hiding it well yeah we can because some

1040
00:47:21,700 --> 00:47:19,730
of these crafts or alleged crafts came

1041
00:47:23,860 --> 00:47:21,710
before our government could possibly

1042
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:23,870
have developed anything that would have

1043
00:47:29,590 --> 00:47:26,240
even come close to that apparent

1044
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:29,600
technology yes I know what you mean

1045
00:47:33,970 --> 00:47:31,280
there's been reports that have gone back

1046
00:47:36,310 --> 00:47:33,980
a long ways and then there's also been

1047
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:36,320
legends about a place called Shambala

1048
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:39,170
that had all these kind of technologies

1049
00:47:45,340 --> 00:47:41,050
or an Atlantis that's still around

1050
00:47:48,010 --> 00:47:45,350
somewhere this is what my point is I'm

1051
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:48,020
not saying that they're not alien craft

1052
00:47:53,740 --> 00:47:51,050
I'm not saying that what I'm saying is

1053
00:47:57,370 --> 00:47:53,750
for us to start at kindergarten and

1054
00:48:00,400 --> 00:47:57,380
first grade to begin to build a tangible

1055
00:48:02,260 --> 00:48:00,410
model of what we're seeing we need to

1056
00:48:05,350 --> 00:48:02,270
set aside those considerations

1057
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:05,360
temporarily and just take a look of what

1058
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:07,970
is physically occurring itself okay so

1059
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:10,970
you're likening this to seeing a ghost

1060
00:48:17,230 --> 00:48:14,960
in the sense of that the reality that's

1061
00:48:21,610 --> 00:48:17,240
present doesn't fit with what we expect

1062
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:21,620
to happen with our reality yes no I'm

1063
00:48:25,690 --> 00:48:23,450
liking it too what's observed in

1064
00:48:29,650 --> 00:48:25,700
paranormal hauntings in a haunted house

1065
00:48:33,220 --> 00:48:29,660
I'm not liking them to a ghost do you

1066
00:48:35,260 --> 00:48:33,230
see the difference okay I want to leave

1067
00:48:37,210 --> 00:48:35,270
the ghost aside for a moment I'll give

1068
00:48:42,190 --> 00:48:37,220
you a good example I'll show you exactly

1069
00:48:44,580 --> 00:48:42,200
how this approach helps us we've all

1070
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:44,590
heard the reports in ghost

1071
00:48:49,980 --> 00:48:47,090
investigations and paranormal

1072
00:48:53,650 --> 00:48:49,990
investigations and haunted houses of

1073
00:48:55,569 --> 00:48:53,660
having cold spots of elect

1074
00:48:58,299 --> 00:48:55,579
cool equipment malfunctioning that type

1075
00:49:02,380 --> 00:48:58,309
of thing and in the paranormal community

1076
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:02,390
the the hauntings the the investigations

1077
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:05,839
in that branch the predominant view is

1078
00:49:11,170 --> 00:49:08,089
that the spirit or the ghost or the

1079
00:49:13,450 --> 00:49:11,180
entity there's somehow draining the

1080
00:49:15,849 --> 00:49:13,460
batteries in the electrical equipment or

1081
00:49:18,279 --> 00:49:15,859
the thermal energy in the air in order

1082
00:49:20,859 --> 00:49:18,289
to physically manifest I know you've

1083
00:49:24,220 --> 00:49:20,869
heard that theory before okay

1084
00:49:27,849 --> 00:49:24,230
now let's take a look at the UFO

1085
00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:27,859
phenomenon surprisingly we see the exact

1086
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:31,250
same thing when electrical equipment

1087
00:49:36,700 --> 00:49:33,770
comes in close proximity with a UFO

1088
00:49:40,359 --> 00:49:36,710
sighting they often report the exact

1089
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:40,369
same things that the batteries suddenly

1090
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:42,559
drain out of flashlights they don't work

1091
00:49:49,089 --> 00:49:45,440
radios don't work car batteries appear

1092
00:49:51,150 --> 00:49:49,099
dead the exact same phenomena occurs but

1093
00:49:55,299 --> 00:49:51,160
in the UFO field no one would ever

1094
00:49:57,250 --> 00:49:55,309
imagine that the UFO is draining your

1095
00:49:59,859 --> 00:49:57,260
ever Eddie's out of your flashlights in

1096
00:50:01,599 --> 00:49:59,869
order physically manifest they were just

1097
00:50:04,299 --> 00:50:01,609
thinking of it as some kind of field

1098
00:50:07,900 --> 00:50:04,309
generated by the craft as part of their

1099
00:50:09,519 --> 00:50:07,910
propulsion system that's right but now

1100
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:09,529
in the paranormal here's what's funny

1101
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:12,650
here's my point they take these you know

1102
00:50:17,620 --> 00:50:15,170
these EMF meters and they're reading

1103
00:50:19,359 --> 00:50:17,630
these elevations in electromagnetic

1104
00:50:21,849 --> 00:50:19,369
fields just look like what you just said

1105
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:21,859
and then they see the malfunctioning of

1106
00:50:26,260 --> 00:50:24,170
the electrical equipment but because

1107
00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:26,270
they got the Criminology they got the

1108
00:50:30,339 --> 00:50:28,609
ghosts stuck in their head they can't

1109
00:50:32,769 --> 00:50:30,349
even see what's happening in front of

1110
00:50:35,470 --> 00:50:32,779
their own eyes that when it's natural to

1111
00:50:37,210 --> 00:50:35,480
see in the UFO because they're not

1112
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:37,220
thinking about the criminology they're

1113
00:50:42,220 --> 00:50:39,410
not thinking about the ghosts do you see

1114
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:42,230
what I mean by that concept of a spirit

1115
00:50:47,319 --> 00:50:45,410
or a perpetrator actually completely

1116
00:50:50,349 --> 00:50:47,329
blind people from what's happening in

1117
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:50,359
front of their eyes so therefore that

1118
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:56,569
sounds deliberate deliberate in what way

1119
00:51:02,460 --> 00:51:00,079
well blinding something from people's

1120
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:02,470
eyes is that a way of hiding the truth

1121
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:07,490
it's it's it's our own blindness

1122
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,119
caused by a false premise

1123
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:15,440
okay we're gonna have to get into more

1124
00:51:20,770 --> 00:51:17,510
of that what the false premise might be

1125
00:51:22,809 --> 00:51:20,780
the book is behind the cosmic veil the

1126
00:51:25,059 --> 00:51:22,819
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1148
00:52:21,210 --> 00:52:19,930
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1149
00:52:23,250 --> 00:52:21,220
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1150
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:23,260
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1151
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1152
00:52:29,220 --> 00:52:27,580
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1155
00:52:34,980 --> 00:52:33,190
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1156
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:34,990
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1157
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1158
00:53:03,350 --> 00:52:59,040
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1159
00:53:10,260 --> 00:53:03,360
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1160
00:53:12,780 --> 00:53:10,270
here's Jane Steinberg want to give this

1161
00:53:14,730 --> 00:53:12,790
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1162
00:53:16,830 --> 00:53:14,740
because they're responsible for the

1163
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1164
00:53:23,310 --> 00:53:19,660
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1165
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:23,320
again blue sky music.com they do great

1166
00:53:27,930 --> 00:53:25,930
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1167
00:53:30,660 --> 00:53:27,940
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1168
00:53:32,670 --> 00:53:30,670
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1169
00:53:34,980 --> 00:53:32,680
Fusco is the author with Jean and Chris

1170
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:34,990
and the para cast as we come close to

1171
00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:37,690
the end of our first hour we were trying

1172
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:41,110
to define not so much what we see about

1173
00:53:45,330 --> 00:53:43,330
UFOs would maybe understand the cause

1174
00:53:49,140 --> 00:53:45,340
and how it relates to other phenomena

1175
00:53:51,740 --> 00:53:49,150
and Thomas was expanding on some

1176
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:51,750
fascinating ideas go ahead please okay

1177
00:53:57,210 --> 00:53:54,850
one of the points I wanted to make to

1178
00:53:59,460 --> 00:53:57,220
the audience and sometimes people

1179
00:54:01,950 --> 00:53:59,470
misunderstand me when I go down this

1180
00:54:05,849 --> 00:54:01,960
particular line of reasoning it begins

1181
00:54:08,550 --> 00:54:05,859
to sound to them like I'm proposing a

1182
00:54:12,420 --> 00:54:08,560
theory that ghosts or spirits don't

1183
00:54:15,570 --> 00:54:12,430
exist or aliens cannot possibly exist

1184
00:54:17,940 --> 00:54:15,580
it's not that at all I don't deny the

1185
00:54:20,340 --> 00:54:17,950
existence of any of those things what

1186
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:20,350
I'm trying to do is to get them out of

1187
00:54:26,820 --> 00:54:23,680
our thinking for a moment and just focus

1188
00:54:30,780 --> 00:54:26,830
on what the physical observations are

1189
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:30,790
and what physics can tell us about those

1190
00:54:36,900 --> 00:54:33,609
physical observations then once we

1191
00:54:41,450 --> 00:54:36,910
establish that that we begin can begin

1192
00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:41,460
to talk more about whodunit about who or

1193
00:54:48,540 --> 00:54:45,250
why might be responsible for what's

1194
00:54:50,609 --> 00:54:48,550
behind these phenomena but again I guess

1195
00:54:52,980 --> 00:54:50,619
what I don't understand is why assume

1196
00:54:54,990 --> 00:54:52,990
they're not separate even if they may

1197
00:54:59,280 --> 00:54:55,000
have some similarities on the surface

1198
00:55:01,920 --> 00:54:59,290
why not assume that et sends UFOs and

1199
00:55:04,770 --> 00:55:01,930
dead people bring spiritual apparitions

1200
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:04,780
the problem is is that it doesn't allow

1201
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:08,290
us to study the physics of the events

1202
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:10,330
objectively I'll give you an example

1203
00:55:16,290 --> 00:55:12,400
let's let's go back to that crime scene

1204
00:55:18,420 --> 00:55:16,300
type of an idea where let's say a murder

1205
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:18,430
has been committed a police force goes

1206
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:21,490
out and they see a body laying in a

1207
00:55:26,580 --> 00:55:23,650
house somewhere with it with a hole in

1208
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:26,590
its head that person's dead and they

1209
00:55:30,570 --> 00:55:28,930
find the perpetrator they actually

1210
00:55:32,970 --> 00:55:30,580
ascertained who did it

1211
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:32,980
they ascertained the whys what the

1212
00:55:38,490 --> 00:55:35,680
motivation was why they chose that

1213
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:38,500
victim that time on and on and on that's

1214
00:55:43,620 --> 00:55:40,960
all the criminology now you put those

1215
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:43,630
things together and just by that alone

1216
00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:47,530
can you tell me how the criminal put a

1217
00:55:51,900 --> 00:55:50,110
hole in the victims head

1218
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:51,910
well I gather it's gonna be difficult

1219
00:55:56,490 --> 00:55:54,160
but you'd have to know what he used to

1220
00:55:58,860 --> 00:55:56,500
put the hole that you use a gun they use

1221
00:56:01,380 --> 00:55:58,870
an electric drill what the point I'm

1222
00:56:04,110 --> 00:56:01,390
trying to make is and and and you can

1223
00:56:07,650 --> 00:56:04,120
see this is that just putting the event

1224
00:56:10,770 --> 00:56:07,660
together with the perpetrator does not

1225
00:56:13,860 --> 00:56:10,780
tell us the physics of how the crime was

1226
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:13,870
committed now we we say oh we're gone

1227
00:56:19,170 --> 00:56:16,930
okay electric drill we understand that

1228
00:56:21,420 --> 00:56:19,180
you know we understand the physics of a

1229
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:21,430
gun and of an electric drill but if you

1230
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:23,200
step back for a minute and take an

1231
00:56:29,310 --> 00:56:26,410
objective look we don't understand in

1232
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:29,320
paranormal phenomena what the gun is

1233
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:32,410
what the drill is and so just coming up

1234
00:56:38,790 --> 00:56:34,930
with the whodunit that spaceships are

1235
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:38,800
where UFOs are from aliens and hauntings

1236
00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:42,130
are from ghosts doesn't tell us how it's

1237
00:56:46,650 --> 00:56:44,110
being done it doesn't tell us anything

1238
00:56:49,110 --> 00:56:46,660
about the physics of the events

1239
00:56:51,060 --> 00:56:49,120
themselves do you see what I mean yeah

1240
00:56:54,660 --> 00:56:51,070
and also I think what you're also

1241
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:54,670
pointing out is that people tend to jump

1242
00:56:59,220 --> 00:56:57,610
to conclusions and they assume causality

1243
00:57:01,830 --> 00:56:59,230
based on their own front-loading and

1244
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:01,840
their own belief systems and and that

1245
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:04,960
that tends to cloud the picture and

1246
00:57:09,390 --> 00:57:06,160
that's what I'm getting from what you're

1247
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:09,400
saying absolutely if we take the three

1248
00:57:14,850 --> 00:57:12,250
thousand year old mindset and we take

1249
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:14,860
that human being and take a look and

1250
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:17,530
have them look at the night sky what

1251
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:20,290
they saw was a glance firmament they saw

1252
00:57:24,180 --> 00:57:22,090
a glass sphere

1253
00:57:26,010 --> 00:57:24,190
with holes punched through it and a

1254
00:57:28,980 --> 00:57:26,020
light from the other side shining

1255
00:57:31,890 --> 00:57:28,990
through those holes the objects that

1256
00:57:33,300 --> 00:57:31,900
moved by themselves so to speak against

1257
00:57:35,540 --> 00:57:33,310
a background which would have been the

1258
00:57:38,700 --> 00:57:35,550
planets they were all in their own

1259
00:57:41,460 --> 00:57:38,710
crystalline spheres this is basically

1260
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:41,470
the Aristotelian model of the universe

1261
00:57:47,850 --> 00:57:44,770
the old one now today when any of us

1262
00:57:50,070 --> 00:57:47,860
educated look out into the night sky we

1263
00:57:53,250 --> 00:57:50,080
see something completely different and

1264
00:57:55,620 --> 00:57:53,260
yet our eyes are receiving the same kind

1265
00:57:57,780 --> 00:57:55,630
of light information that the 3,000 year

1266
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:57,790
old person did so that's the point I'm

1267
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:00,160
trying to make paradigms make a huge

1268
00:58:05,340 --> 00:58:03,040
difference with how we understand what's

1269
00:58:08,070 --> 00:58:05,350
going on and when we start thinking

1270
00:58:11,490 --> 00:58:08,080
about ghosts right away or aliens right

1271
00:58:14,070 --> 00:58:11,500
away it makes us jump the gun and we

1272
00:58:15,930 --> 00:58:14,080
don't do all the intermediate steps that

1273
00:58:18,150 --> 00:58:15,940
are necessary to get us to that point

1274
00:58:20,730 --> 00:58:18,160
saying then that we need to understand

1275
00:58:22,980 --> 00:58:20,740
what's going on here before we can look

1276
00:58:25,530 --> 00:58:22,990
at the cause before we could look at the

1277
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:25,540
perpetrator yell you know we can have

1278
00:58:30,540 --> 00:58:27,370
compounds let's say if you have two

1279
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:30,550
compounds that can bind together the in

1280
00:58:37,020 --> 00:58:33,370
liquid to create a red color in the

1281
00:58:40,860 --> 00:58:37,030
liquid under heat that could occur in a

1282
00:58:43,470 --> 00:58:40,870
volcano it could occur in a test-tube it

1283
00:58:47,460 --> 00:58:43,480
could occur in very many other ways in

1284
00:58:50,070 --> 00:58:47,470
nature naturally were intentionally but

1285
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:50,080
in order to know what that that

1286
00:58:55,290 --> 00:58:53,200
mechanism is so to speak we first have

1287
00:58:57,210 --> 00:58:55,300
to understand the chemistry where the

1288
00:59:00,210 --> 00:58:57,220
two elements combine with liquid

1289
00:59:02,940 --> 00:59:00,220
produces a red color and that's what I'm

1290
00:59:04,830 --> 00:59:02,950
trying to get to the bottom of what is

1291
00:59:06,540 --> 00:59:04,840
actually physically happening in these

1292
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:06,550
events all right let's look further

1293
00:59:13,130 --> 00:59:09,010
what's physically happening here so we

1294
00:59:16,050 --> 00:59:13,140
look at this shall we say clay reality

1295
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:16,060
events by the UFOs which seemed to do

1296
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:18,690
things that we can't understand by

1297
00:59:22,650 --> 00:59:21,040
ghosts and other apparitions doing

1298
00:59:24,780 --> 00:59:22,660
things that we can't understand by

1299
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:24,790
poltergeists doing things that we can't

1300
00:59:32,450 --> 00:59:28,210
understand let's understand them yes and

1301
00:59:35,549 --> 00:59:32,460
the first concept which is the

1302
00:59:38,339 --> 00:59:35,559
connective tissue that winds up

1303
00:59:41,189 --> 00:59:38,349
buying all these things together once

1304
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:41,199
again has to do with gravity because

1305
00:59:46,199 --> 00:59:44,170
again when we see in haunted houses we

1306
00:59:51,329 --> 00:59:46,209
see examples of levitations

1307
00:59:54,539 --> 00:59:51,339
we see examples of objects moving by

1308
00:59:58,049 --> 00:59:54,549
themselves of apparitions that seem to

1309
01:00:00,319 --> 00:59:58,059
float in the air when we look at UFOs we

1310
01:00:03,900 --> 01:00:00,329
see the same kind of gravity defying

1311
01:00:05,549 --> 01:00:03,910
phenomena so when I look at gravity and

1312
01:00:08,429 --> 01:00:05,559
say well this is something that we don't

1313
01:00:10,170 --> 01:00:08,439
clearly understand that's a connective

1314
01:00:13,380 --> 01:00:10,180
tissue that ties all these things

1315
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:13,390
together so what is it about gravity

1316
01:00:18,989 --> 01:00:16,569
that relates to the paranormal and that

1317
01:00:21,029 --> 01:00:18,999
gravity that that element of gravity

1318
01:00:23,699 --> 01:00:21,039
that relates to the paranormal is what I

1319
01:00:27,989 --> 01:00:23,709
was talking about earlier where gravity

1320
01:00:30,749 --> 01:00:27,999
is a physical effect that is observable

1321
01:00:33,390 --> 01:00:30,759
that interacts with its surroundings

1322
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:33,400
with its environment but does not always

1323
01:00:40,189 --> 01:00:37,599
have a direct local physical cause for

1324
01:00:43,169 --> 01:00:40,199
example everybody's heard of dark matter

1325
01:00:44,849 --> 01:00:43,179
the reason why science conjured up dark

1326
01:00:47,309 --> 01:00:44,859
matter and there's really no proof that

1327
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:47,319
it exists is that there's about 90

1328
01:00:53,489 --> 01:00:49,170
percent more gravity in the universe

1329
01:00:55,769 --> 01:00:53,499
detectable than there is visible mass so

1330
01:00:59,579 --> 01:00:55,779
we have all these fields of gravity with

1331
01:01:02,819 --> 01:00:59,589
all the bending of space with 90% less

1332
01:01:05,579 --> 01:01:02,829
matter to cause it we have no graviton

1333
01:01:08,099 --> 01:01:05,589
or gravity wave so that there's no

1334
01:01:10,259 --> 01:01:08,109
physical cause that's apparent for the

1335
01:01:12,689 --> 01:01:10,269
force of gravity when we start putting

1336
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:12,699
these all together gravity is a very

1337
01:01:18,239 --> 01:01:16,089
paranormal phenomena and it begins to

1338
01:01:21,779 --> 01:01:18,249
tie all these other things together and

1339
01:01:23,989 --> 01:01:21,789
you know well it sounds like Sir Isaac

1340
01:01:29,609 --> 01:01:23,999
Newton would have loved to know you oh

1341
01:01:32,669 --> 01:01:29,619
yeah well essentially what I'm going to

1342
01:01:36,959 --> 01:01:32,679
describe is a model that is Einsteins

1343
01:01:39,749 --> 01:01:36,969
unified field but that it exists at that

1344
01:01:42,419 --> 01:01:39,759
model from the top side down instead of

1345
01:01:43,300 --> 01:01:42,429
from the bottom physical side up we're

1346
01:01:45,970 --> 01:01:43,310
going to have

1347
01:01:48,220 --> 01:01:45,980
or questions by the way coming up in our

1348
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:48,230
next segment some of which come from our

1349
01:01:54,930 --> 01:01:51,440
listeners we put up a small thread or

1350
01:01:57,790 --> 01:01:54,940
topic at forums dr. Peric ascom

1351
01:01:59,170 --> 01:01:57,800
mentioning your book and inviting

1352
01:02:01,450 --> 01:01:59,180
questions and we have a couple that

1353
01:02:03,580 --> 01:02:01,460
might actually influence the fascinating

1354
01:02:06,340 --> 01:02:03,590
discussions the book is called behind

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after this show

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we have behind the cosmic veil the book

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Thomas Fusco the person Chris O'Brien

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the co-host with a question from one of

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our listeners Thomas we were just

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talking about in the last segment about

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dark matter and there's some question

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now I mean I've been reading recently

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that the whole theory of dark matter and

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in zero-point energy as an offshoot of

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that I do have a question that dovetails

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nicely to the last segment and it comes

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from one of our new posters pulled to

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worst from Germany and it involves dark

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matter Thomas do you think dark matter

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is still nothing but a theory are

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scientists working on alternative

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theories that don't include the greater

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part of the matter in the universe being

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entirely invisible to us here's the

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fundamentals of the idea of dark matter

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and this is one of the problems that we

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get into that is a modern tendency of

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the scientific community to present

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theory and speculation to the general

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public as if it's established fact

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science specifically physics operates

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under a purely materialistic premise of

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paradigm in other words every physical

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observation in the universe must have a

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physical cause that is also in the

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universe

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self-satisfying and self explanatory

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there is no room for any kind of

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elements outside of what is physical so

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what we see when we see all this gravity

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with no adjacent physical mass and we

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have a strictly materialistic paradigm

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we have to actually make

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up imaginary matter in order to come up

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with the material explanation for our

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observations so essentially what's

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happened in astrophysics is that we have

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actually run out of material to explain

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all of our observations and dark matter

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is a material that was made up it was

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just conjured in order to explain why

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there is a lack of material or to fill

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in the blank where there is a lack of

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material to explain all the gravity we

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observe and so as an excuse it is a

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theory and that's all it is and it's not

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a real tight theory at that because we

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can't explain how a particle that would

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be so massive and when I say massive I'm

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speaking in the scientific term so

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massive that it would provide 90% of the

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gravity gravity in the universe

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and yet it is completely undetectable by

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the tiniest particle or wavelength that

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we could use when you really get down to

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it it's almost comical but when you are

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a materialist and you have no other

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paradigm but materialism it's the only

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game in town you have to make up

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material to explain what you observe I

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guess then what about black holes now

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black holes are still under debate again

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public what's been presented for a

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public consumption is the classical or

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the Hawking's model of black holes but

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there's about six of them out there that

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are all very viable that all have very

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good arguments to defend them but not

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only the classical model that all these

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other alternative models all have some

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shortcoming their model for black holes

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all violate some other essential

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physical laws that we know are true so

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we really don't know what black holes

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are is there room for taking what we

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assumed to be true about physical laws

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and learning that our understanding was

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just not complete and it's

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different well certainly there's room

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for that but there's also when you have

1568
01:11:32,810 --> 01:11:30,270
when we're talking about gravity this is

1569
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where it's different that everywhere in

1570
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physics that we have approached gravity

1571
01:11:44,810 --> 01:11:42,020
mathematically conceptually paradigm

1572
01:11:48,860 --> 01:11:44,820
physical experiments we keep coming up

1573
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with goose eggs and so that's a clear

1574
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:50,790
evidence in my mind it is an

1575
01:11:56,450 --> 01:11:53,760
accumulation of evidence that our basic

1576
01:11:59,840 --> 01:11:56,460
paradigm concerning gravity is

1577
01:12:03,080 --> 01:11:59,850
absolutely incorrect Chris why we push a

1578
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:03,090
follow-up from you okay

1579
01:12:08,810 --> 01:12:06,570
we have several questions that really

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dive into the whole idea of spirituality

1581
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:11,250
and your very intriguing observations

1582
01:12:18,230 --> 01:12:14,370
about the role of Christianity and the

1583
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:18,240
Christian Bible in in your thinking how

1584
01:12:21,980 --> 01:12:20,090
would you like to to broach that subject

1585
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:21,990
where would you like to start with that

1586
01:12:27,380 --> 01:12:24,330
because I think this is a this is a

1587
01:12:31,610 --> 01:12:27,390
really intriguing aspect of your work as

1588
01:12:35,950 --> 01:12:31,620
far as I can tell well when we come into

1589
01:12:40,660 --> 01:12:35,960
spiritual elements we are considering

1590
01:12:44,030 --> 01:12:40,670
aspects of reality that are not physical

1591
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:44,040
in other words they don't they are not

1592
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:46,410
contained within the realm that is

1593
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:51,170
defined by space time matter and energy

1594
01:12:59,630 --> 01:12:55,170
so if we can take physical or spiritual

1595
01:13:02,120 --> 01:12:59,640
elements and create a model by which we

1596
01:13:06,110 --> 01:13:02,130
can predict and answer certain questions

1597
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:06,120
about what we see in the physical then

1598
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:08,610
we have a working model yeah they'll be

1599
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:14,000
huge and this is what I've come up with

1600
01:13:20,270 --> 01:13:17,130
let's take from the biblical standpoint

1601
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:20,280
for example let's assume for a moment

1602
01:13:25,370 --> 01:13:22,320
let's assume for a point of argument

1603
01:13:27,290 --> 01:13:25,380
that there is a god a creator and

1604
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:27,300
furthermore let's make a second

1605
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:31,170
assumption that the biblical description

1606
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of the nature of God is fairly

1607
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accurate that he is eternal he's

1608
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all-knowing he's all seeing within him

1609
01:13:45,820 --> 01:13:42,980
there is no variations or differences

1610
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:45,830
whatsoever now if you take a beam like

1611
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that and consider well what say this

1612
01:13:55,630 --> 01:13:52,610
being is going to try to create a

1613
01:13:59,250 --> 01:13:55,640
universe this is the exact opposite of

1614
01:14:01,390 --> 01:13:59,260
that nature it had a beginning as most

1615
01:14:03,970 --> 01:14:01,400
astrophysicists believe it will have

1616
01:14:06,010 --> 01:14:03,980
some sort of an end everywhere in the

1617
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:06,020
universe we see expressions of

1618
01:14:13,780 --> 01:14:10,250
differences both spatial and temporal we

1619
01:14:16,450 --> 01:14:13,790
see elements that combine and reach and

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bind and build up and break down we see

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living things that live and die it's a

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complete opposite nature of what God is

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described as so if a god was going to

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make a universe like that the first

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thing he would have to do is create a

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realm outside of himself that was

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separate from it that was able to

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sustain things that are spaced in time

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we know mathematically in physics

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anytime we bring the physical universe

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or any element up to a mathematical

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representation for infinity that the

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physical just simply dissolves it's just

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gone so they have to be two distinct

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realms so that would be the first thing

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the second thing is it got is a pure

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substance if there's no change of

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variation in him where he's he going to

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derive the differences that are

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necessary to create dimensions that are

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all expressions of differences spatial

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dimensions are differences between here

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and there I'll tell you what we have

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this announcement from here and there to

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[Music]

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with gene and Chris and the para cast

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Thomas Fusco's here looking at a new

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concept of reality so we look at God in

1752
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various ways various religions to some

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kind of spiritual being so if there's a

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God in this universe is he the

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computerized creature talked of by John

1756
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keel that runs everything like a machine

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well in a sense yes but the other part

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of that where we've talked about where

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he was I don't know what was I forget

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the term that you used

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all right computerized intelligence that

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might just be insane that's the John

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keel version of Munn yeah I would let

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that out because our universe is

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amazingly ordered that's one of the

1766
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mysteries of physics today how an

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ordered universe came out of the chaos

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of the Big Bang we don't know and so

1769
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that wouldn't qualify as insanity in my

1770
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mind but anyway to finish what I was

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talking about real briefly in the last

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segment in order to create differences

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that arise that they give rise to

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dimensional ISM you would have to have

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an opposite God would have to have an

1776
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adversary so then we have something

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that's absolutely pure positive and

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absolutely pure negative and in the area

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where they collide and conflict and

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battle we begin to get the differences

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the pre material wave functions that

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eventually give rise when they fall

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below the speed of light into physical

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reality the positive force is supposed

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to be greater than the negative force

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that means they don't cancel each other

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out we actually have a direction of and

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flow and in my book I show a model where

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that direction not only shows us where

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the lines of gravitational force come

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from but also the arrow of time there's

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an

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you see they excuse me you're telling

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bad jokes but ladies and gentlemen I

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don't tell jokes I might do a DJ style

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pun but now when you have an example of

1797
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a real bad joke and Chris feels Chasen

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unfortunately he's too far away from me

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to spank him

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well yeah I'm sorry I just you know I

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was thinking aunty God and then I

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thought well if there's an auntie God

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there must be an uncle god bad joke I

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apologize I do have a really good

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question here from Kim 323 was a really

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cool picture I think of Carl Jung as his

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avatar and he wants to know again we're

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talking about religion and spirituality

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in Christianity and what prompted you to

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look at this idea of spirituality as

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some sort of boilerplate to then look at

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the science and and and see how these

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unresolved questions of novelty and

1814
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coherence you know in the short time

1815
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after the Big Bang how when everything

1816
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cool then you start having you created

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gravitational or rather atomic bonds and

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then molecular bonds and then the whole

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increasing complexity within the

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universe where where does the

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spirituality part of that I mean is this

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is this by design was it just one event

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and then the chips fell where they may

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or do you think that this has been

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directed all along

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well my basic premise is this again the

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human brain is a subset of the physical

1828
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universe

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that means the human brain has to be

1830
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formed and configured according to the

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same laws and principles that govern the

1832
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greater universe in which it's a subset

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now if we take a look and there's a lot

1834
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of religions in the world but I'm going

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to take a look specifically at the Bible

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and if we take a look at the human brain

1837
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is it kind of like a computer if you

1838
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feed garbage in garbage comes out you

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to feed intelligent meaningful

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instructions into a computer and all in

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order to make it do intelligent

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meaningful and significant work

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well it seems throughout the millennia

1844
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when these principles have of the Bible

1845
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so to speak have been programmed in the

1846
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human minds there has definitely been

1847
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some very interesting results that those

1848
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brains have come up with and if you want

1849
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to accept the existence of miracles this

1850
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information that was in the Bible when

1851
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programmed into a human brain under

1852
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certain conditions was actually able to

1853
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transmute the very face of reality

1854
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itself in actions that we call miracles

1855
01:25:09,620 --> 01:25:06,410
or miraculous the laying on of hands the

1856
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multiplication of substances like wine

1857
01:25:15,650 --> 01:25:12,120
or bread and fish those types of things

1858
01:25:18,170 --> 01:25:15,660
so my assumption was that there has to

1859
01:25:21,230 --> 01:25:18,180
be some some relevance to these

1860
01:25:22,940 --> 01:25:21,240
principles it actually coordinated in

1861
01:25:24,710 --> 01:25:22,950
some way with the very laws and

1862
01:25:27,380 --> 01:25:24,720
principles that the universe was put

1863
01:25:30,830 --> 01:25:27,390
together and in my research I found

1864
01:25:32,570 --> 01:25:30,840
those kinds of things in the Bible leads

1865
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:32,580
to the next question that we have from

1866
01:25:38,510 --> 01:25:35,850
another poster named sentry who's been a

1867
01:25:40,190 --> 01:25:38,520
poster at the forum dr. Peric ascom for

1868
01:25:42,830 --> 01:25:40,200
the past year and has come up with some

1869
01:25:45,050 --> 01:25:42,840
really good questions to him I'd add his

1870
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:45,060
question is can we consider the messages

1871
01:25:50,270 --> 01:25:47,330
received by the ancient prophets as

1872
01:25:51,740 --> 01:25:50,280
examples of psychic communication most

1873
01:25:53,620 --> 01:25:51,750
of them receive their messages via

1874
01:25:55,820 --> 01:25:53,630
dreams and/or visions

1875
01:25:58,220 --> 01:25:55,830
something only they alone could

1876
01:25:59,900 --> 01:25:58,230
experience how does this differ from

1877
01:26:02,540 --> 01:25:59,910
other paranormal encounters that leave

1878
01:26:05,900 --> 01:26:02,550
no physical trace ISM well that's a

1879
01:26:10,100 --> 01:26:05,910
pretty that's a pretty broad question I

1880
01:26:15,290 --> 01:26:10,110
would say whatever the intelligence of

1881
01:26:19,450 --> 01:26:15,300
God is that intelligence is disseminated

1882
01:26:24,170 --> 01:26:19,460
or distributed in different

1883
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:24,180
manifestations based on the portion of

1884
01:26:31,190 --> 01:26:28,290
reality on which it is distributed so

1885
01:26:32,359 --> 01:26:31,200
for example we have a human brain we

1886
01:26:35,510 --> 01:26:32,369
have a certain way to

1887
01:26:40,089 --> 01:26:35,520
looks at things the way that it images

1888
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things we have fathers and mothers as

1889
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living beings so we think of authority

1890
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figures as parental and these are the

1891
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kinds of ways that our minds are put

1892
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together so if we were to receive an

1893
01:27:00,229 --> 01:26:57,599
intelligent communication like that it

1894
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would come to us in the kind of forms

1895
01:27:06,250 --> 01:27:04,260
and manners that we understand so if you

1896
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believe that you're getting a a

1897
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communication inside of yourself from

1898
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God and you hear a spoken language that

1899
01:27:14,959 --> 01:27:14,340
you understand it's not the language of

1900
01:27:17,330 --> 01:27:14,969
God

1901
01:27:19,879 --> 01:27:17,340
it's that information which is calling

1902
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:19,889
up the different words of the language

1903
01:27:25,189 --> 01:27:22,170
that correspond to that information that

1904
01:27:27,530 --> 01:27:25,199
you're already familiar with in other

1905
01:27:30,919 --> 01:27:27,540
words God's using your own brain to talk

1906
01:27:33,379 --> 01:27:30,929
to you with does that make that yeah

1907
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:33,389
that makes perfect sense in other words

1908
01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:35,610
it's it's all filtered through

1909
01:27:41,899 --> 01:27:38,880
consciousness and unconsciousness is

1910
01:27:45,379 --> 01:27:41,909
something again like a dark matter

1911
01:27:47,629 --> 01:27:45,389
like the actual causality behind the Big

1912
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:47,639
Bang consciousness is another area that

1913
01:27:51,740 --> 01:27:49,050
science has really had a hard time

1914
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:51,750
grappling with we really it can't

1915
01:27:59,330 --> 01:27:56,639
explain how it is possible to as I used

1916
01:28:02,270 --> 01:27:59,340
the analogy last week in our last show

1917
01:28:04,820 --> 01:28:02,280
scratch your eyebrow we really don't

1918
01:28:08,450 --> 01:28:04,830
know how that works we don't know how

1919
01:28:11,990 --> 01:28:08,460
the mind is able to manifest into

1920
01:28:13,879 --> 01:28:12,000
physical actions and and conscious

1921
01:28:16,089 --> 01:28:13,889
actions how does the will of

1922
01:28:22,330 --> 01:28:16,099
consciousness fit into all this

1923
01:28:25,879 --> 01:28:22,340
well once again although we have a not a

1924
01:28:28,370 --> 01:28:25,889
scientifically precise definition for

1925
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:28,380
consciousness we have an approximate

1926
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:31,170
definition and it's one that most human

1927
01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:33,840
beings have a sense we understand that

1928
01:28:38,870 --> 01:28:36,000
we are conscious and we can talk about

1929
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:38,880
different qualities of consciousness but

1930
01:28:44,419 --> 01:28:41,489
again my point is this is that

1931
01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:44,429
consciousness being a subset of the

1932
01:28:49,310 --> 01:28:46,080
physical universe

1933
01:28:52,700 --> 01:28:49,320
could not have given could not have

1934
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:52,710
arisen in a way that was contrary to or

1935
01:28:57,650 --> 01:28:54,690
outside the laws and principles that

1936
01:29:00,530 --> 01:28:57,660
govern a greater universe so therefore

1937
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:00,540
our consciousness is just a reflection

1938
01:29:06,530 --> 01:29:02,850
of the consciousness that's built into

1939
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:06,540
the universe itself give you one example

1940
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:09,570
so okay let me just be sure about this

1941
01:29:12,830 --> 01:29:10,770
because we have to break

1942
01:29:15,650 --> 01:29:12,840
we're therefore talking about some kind

1943
01:29:20,090 --> 01:29:15,660
of universal consciousness of which each

1944
01:29:21,380 --> 01:29:20,100
and every one of us is a subset my

1945
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:21,390
barking up the wrong tree we're gonna

1946
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:23,610
ask our guest the book is called behind

1947
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the cosmic veil yep the author is Thomas

1948
01:29:31,010 --> 01:29:28,800
Fusco it's a new vision of reality

1949
01:29:33,440 --> 01:29:31,020
merging science and the spiritual and

1950
01:29:37,480 --> 01:29:33,450
the supernatural with gene and Chris

1951
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getting any better in fact it's getting

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[Music]

2055
01:34:05,330 --> 01:34:03,080
to the para gasps a universal

2056
01:34:08,030 --> 01:34:05,340
consciousness what's going on here

2057
01:34:10,220 --> 01:34:08,040
Thomas Fusco joins Jean and Chris so

2058
01:34:12,910 --> 01:34:10,230
Thomas what's your response

2059
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:12,920
as far as the universal consciousness

2060
01:34:18,620 --> 01:34:16,050
yes sir yeah that's a good way of

2061
01:34:22,130 --> 01:34:18,630
looking at it now that term has been

2062
01:34:24,730 --> 01:34:22,140
used well I should say terms have been

2063
01:34:28,070 --> 01:34:24,740
used to describe that same idea for

2064
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:28,080
centuries we can talk about Plato's

2065
01:34:33,620 --> 01:34:31,530
forms which was an early form of this if

2066
01:34:35,480 --> 01:34:33,630
we go to the Bible and we look at the

2067
01:34:38,420 --> 01:34:35,490
Greek at the beginning of the Gospel of

2068
01:34:40,730 --> 01:34:38,430
John who uses the word logos which is

2069
01:34:43,190 --> 01:34:40,740
translated in English translations to

2070
01:34:46,130 --> 01:34:43,200
the Word of God we have no english

2071
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:46,140
translation for it that's precise it

2072
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:47,850
means mind thought

2073
01:34:53,780 --> 01:34:51,090
order matrix pattern so the logos is

2074
01:34:55,900 --> 01:34:53,790
that same thing we get into modern times

2075
01:34:58,100 --> 01:34:55,910
we have the physicist David Bohm

2076
01:34:58,940 --> 01:34:58,110
speaking of something called implicit

2077
01:35:02,750 --> 01:34:58,950
order

2078
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:02,760
Edgar Cayce called it Akasha the Akashic

2079
01:35:09,770 --> 01:35:06,810
records so there this idea has gone on

2080
01:35:12,610 --> 01:35:09,780
for quite a long time what has been

2081
01:35:16,070 --> 01:35:12,620
missing is how to make this idea

2082
01:35:19,310 --> 01:35:16,080
tangible and be able to tie it in

2083
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:19,320
conceptually to physical reality and

2084
01:35:24,250 --> 01:35:22,050
this is what my book does it prevents

2085
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:24,260
these ideas that bridge these

2086
01:35:30,260 --> 01:35:27,570
philosophical and metaphysical ideas to

2087
01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:30,270
solid scientific reasoning it almost

2088
01:35:34,970 --> 01:35:32,370
sounds like you're talking about some

2089
01:35:37,940 --> 01:35:34,980
sort of holographic quality that human

2090
01:35:40,610 --> 01:35:37,950
consciousness may be some some sort of

2091
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:40,620
holographic part of a larger like a

2092
01:35:47,180 --> 01:35:42,570
piece of a hologram that contains the

2093
01:35:49,730 --> 01:35:47,190
the the whole David Bohm presented an

2094
01:35:52,190 --> 01:35:49,740
idea that he called that has been called

2095
01:35:55,310 --> 01:35:52,200
the holographic universe which is that

2096
01:35:58,040 --> 01:35:55,320
same kind of an idea that you know this

2097
01:36:00,350 --> 01:35:58,050
specific order is reflected in every

2098
01:36:03,830 --> 01:36:00,360
aspect of reality take a look for

2099
01:36:06,170 --> 01:36:03,840
example in the natural world we see

2100
01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:06,180
birds that fly they have wings they have

2101
01:36:09,030 --> 01:36:06,490
sir

2102
01:36:11,190 --> 01:36:09,040
aerodynamics to them and they have an

2103
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:11,200
evolutionary if we're going to subscribe

2104
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:12,850
to evolution we have an evolutionary

2105
01:36:19,500 --> 01:36:17,050
path from dinosaurs that has resulted in

2106
01:36:22,710 --> 01:36:19,510
birds well now let's take a completely

2107
01:36:25,980 --> 01:36:22,720
different evolutionary path and look at

2108
01:36:28,530 --> 01:36:25,990
the primates and the very small mammals

2109
01:36:31,830 --> 01:36:28,540
that appeared many millions of years ago

2110
01:36:34,710 --> 01:36:31,840
and they evolved one of the forms they

2111
01:36:37,140 --> 01:36:34,720
evolved in were bats and you take a look

2112
01:36:39,450 --> 01:36:37,150
at a bat and a bird and you tell me if

2113
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:39,460
that's coincidence and random chance

2114
01:36:43,710 --> 01:36:41,530
that there isn't some sort of a

2115
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:43,720
synchronicity of a greater pattern going

2116
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:44,290
on

2117
01:36:51,060 --> 01:36:48,130
why do flying fish fly why did that

2118
01:36:54,030 --> 01:36:51,070
particular species of fish develop wings

2119
01:36:56,910 --> 01:36:54,040
sufficiently to fly some distance we see

2120
01:36:59,790 --> 01:36:56,920
the same image this holographic picture

2121
01:37:02,490 --> 01:36:59,800
echoing throughout reality yeah why

2122
01:37:04,740 --> 01:37:02,500
don't we have other species of mammals

2123
01:37:06,810 --> 01:37:04,750
that that actually physically fly knots

2124
01:37:08,670 --> 01:37:06,820
or like as you point out in your book

2125
01:37:11,460 --> 01:37:08,680
flying squirrels why don't we have other

2126
01:37:14,790 --> 01:37:11,470
species of fish that actually are able

2127
01:37:17,970 --> 01:37:14,800
to spring out of the water and fly quite

2128
01:37:20,940 --> 01:37:17,980
a distance what how does science explain

2129
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:20,950
that well if we take a look at water as

2130
01:37:27,480 --> 01:37:23,530
a thicker medium than air then all fish

2131
01:37:29,250 --> 01:37:27,490
fly they all fly okay but they don't

2132
01:37:31,950 --> 01:37:29,260
leave the they don't spring from wave

2133
01:37:33,630 --> 01:37:31,960
tops and go you know skimming for you

2134
01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:33,640
know almost a hundred yards in some

2135
01:37:39,630 --> 01:37:36,490
cases across the tops of of waves and in

2136
01:37:43,100 --> 01:37:39,640
splash splash down yeah that was a very

2137
01:37:47,190 --> 01:37:43,110
strong natural synchronicity so to speak

2138
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:47,200
for give you another example we can hear

2139
01:37:51,690 --> 01:37:49,330
the noise in the forest canopy of all

2140
01:37:54,630 --> 01:37:51,700
the different birds singing and insects

2141
01:37:57,900 --> 01:37:54,640
chirping and that type of thing and then

2142
01:37:59,990 --> 01:37:57,910
we sometimes see it in comic strips

2143
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:00,000
where somebody gets hit in the head and

2144
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:02,650
hears you see the birds flying around

2145
01:38:07,110 --> 01:38:04,330
their head because they're hearing the

2146
01:38:10,440 --> 01:38:07,120
birds well I'm one of those individuals

2147
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:10,450
that had that happen to me and I heard

2148
01:38:17,670 --> 01:38:12,850
that ringing that that bird-like sound

2149
01:38:19,890 --> 01:38:17,680
it's not like the forest canopy it is

2150
01:38:23,220 --> 01:38:19,900
precisely the same sound

2151
01:38:26,250 --> 01:38:23,230
as a forest canopy and so there we have

2152
01:38:29,250 --> 01:38:26,260
an order in a structure at work in the

2153
01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:29,260
forest canopy that's it also at work in

2154
01:38:32,399 --> 01:38:30,250
the human brain

2155
01:38:35,250 --> 01:38:32,409
it's just manifested itself in different

2156
01:38:38,450 --> 01:38:35,260
material structures and forms but it's

2157
01:38:43,380 --> 01:38:41,070
being struck in the head I think for

2158
01:38:46,979 --> 01:38:43,390
some of our listeners this whole topic

2159
01:38:51,229 --> 01:38:46,989
of how consciousness and in evolution

2160
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:51,239
all relate to to science and and and

2161
01:38:57,450 --> 01:38:54,130
synchronistic coincidence if you will

2162
01:38:58,530 --> 01:38:57,460
for lack of a better term I think we

2163
01:38:59,399 --> 01:38:58,540
have some people out there including

2164
01:39:01,470 --> 01:38:59,409
myself

2165
01:39:04,709 --> 01:39:01,480
my head hurts thinking about a lot of

2166
01:39:06,660 --> 01:39:04,719
this stuff and and unlike you and I got

2167
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:06,670
hit and had a few times in sports and

2168
01:39:11,700 --> 01:39:08,770
other things all I heard was a giant

2169
01:39:13,350 --> 01:39:11,710
Bell I didn't hear it birds and when I

2170
01:39:17,270 --> 01:39:13,360
came to it was like I was being born

2171
01:39:21,510 --> 01:39:17,280
again it was very very disconcerting

2172
01:39:24,330 --> 01:39:21,520
watch out for the brain damage a little

2173
01:39:24,899 --> 01:39:24,340
too late for that gene I'm not gonna say

2174
01:39:30,660 --> 01:39:24,909
anything

2175
01:39:32,430 --> 01:39:30,670
oh my well guys can we talk a little bit

2176
01:39:35,970 --> 01:39:32,440
about the bending of space in the

2177
01:39:38,780 --> 01:39:35,980
haunted house oh hi all means sounds

2178
01:39:41,100 --> 01:39:38,790
good I just did a pretty sophisticated

2179
01:39:43,950 --> 01:39:41,110
haunted on its side investigation

2180
01:39:46,729 --> 01:39:43,960
actually three sites last week with a 3d

2181
01:39:50,729 --> 01:39:46,739
camera crew so I'm all ears

2182
01:39:54,060 --> 01:39:50,739
okay well especially from some of these

2183
01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:54,070
programs that have been on the TV in

2184
01:39:59,310 --> 01:39:55,690
recent years many people are familiar

2185
01:40:03,479 --> 01:39:59,320
now with the type of observations that

2186
01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:03,489
occur in a paranormal haunting and some

2187
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:05,890
of the different instrumentation that's

2188
01:40:12,290 --> 01:40:10,570
used to pick up certain readings but we

2189
01:40:15,570 --> 01:40:12,300
were talking earlier about how

2190
01:40:19,229 --> 01:40:15,580
paranormal gravity actually is now one

2191
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:19,239
of the aspects of reality that is always

2192
01:40:24,419 --> 01:40:21,610
associated with a gravitational field as

2193
01:40:26,160 --> 01:40:24,429
the bending of space Einstein brought

2194
01:40:29,189 --> 01:40:26,170
forward that in his theories of

2195
01:40:32,550 --> 01:40:29,199
relativity and it's been proved over and

2196
01:40:33,479 --> 01:40:32,560
over again that space bends in

2197
01:40:37,379 --> 01:40:33,489
association

2198
01:40:40,500 --> 01:40:37,389
with gravitational fields so if we were

2199
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:40,510
to take this paranormal effect this

2200
01:40:46,140 --> 01:40:43,570
bending of space with no direct physical

2201
01:40:49,109 --> 01:40:46,150
cause and bring it inside of a haunted

2202
01:40:52,770 --> 01:40:49,119
house we're going to see a number of

2203
01:40:56,549 --> 01:40:52,780
different manifestations that are a

2204
01:40:58,290 --> 01:40:56,559
result of that and just interrupt me if

2205
01:41:00,540 --> 01:40:58,300
we're getting near a break please

2206
01:41:02,489 --> 01:41:00,550
because I'm going to go on a roll with

2207
01:41:04,169 --> 01:41:02,499
this I'll tell you what we'll give you

2208
01:41:05,669 --> 01:41:04,179
the roll the butter the bagel but you

2209
01:41:09,180 --> 01:41:05,679
got a little over two minutes so go

2210
01:41:12,029 --> 01:41:09,190
ahead all right what the bending of

2211
01:41:14,790 --> 01:41:12,039
space would do inside of a haunted house

2212
01:41:18,500 --> 01:41:14,800
unlike the depths of the cosmos there's

2213
01:41:21,209 --> 01:41:18,510
material there there's apt aspheric

2214
01:41:25,229 --> 01:41:21,219
presence there and that consists of

2215
01:41:26,459 --> 01:41:25,239
molecules and atoms so when a bubble

2216
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:26,469
let's say if we had a bubble of

2217
01:41:31,500 --> 01:41:28,210
space-time that expanded in a haunted

2218
01:41:34,859 --> 01:41:31,510
house it would crush and compress the

2219
01:41:37,229 --> 01:41:34,869
atoms of the air molecules that are in

2220
01:41:40,649 --> 01:41:37,239
the bed space immediately surrounding it

2221
01:41:42,779 --> 01:41:40,659
it would educate the electrons and jump

2222
01:41:44,069 --> 01:41:42,789
them into their higher orbits so the

2223
01:41:46,709 --> 01:41:44,079
first thing we would see is an

2224
01:41:50,609 --> 01:41:46,719
electromagnetic field that would come

2225
01:41:53,819 --> 01:41:50,619
out of thin air now once that excitement

2226
01:41:55,410 --> 01:41:53,829
is expended and as electrons drop back

2227
01:41:56,879 --> 01:41:55,420
down there's two things that they get

2228
01:42:00,239 --> 01:41:56,889
two-bit give in to certain conditions

2229
01:42:04,259 --> 01:42:00,249
one of them is photons and that's

2230
01:42:06,180 --> 01:42:04,269
exactly what we would have in an LED we

2231
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:06,190
pass an electromagnetic field through a

2232
01:42:11,100 --> 01:42:08,530
material and we get a light-emitting

2233
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:11,110
diode because of the photons that are

2234
01:42:15,660 --> 01:42:14,170
being emitted by the electrons another

2235
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:15,670
thing that we would get is thermal

2236
01:42:20,399 --> 01:42:19,210
energy so here we have a mechanism that

2237
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:20,409
would not only show us where

2238
01:42:24,569 --> 01:42:22,210
electromagnetic fields come out of

2239
01:42:27,509 --> 01:42:24,579
nowhere but how they get also sometimes

2240
01:42:30,060 --> 01:42:27,519
be luminous and also create heat

2241
01:42:31,739 --> 01:42:30,070
signatures on thermal cameras which

2242
01:42:34,020 --> 01:42:31,749
surprisingly enough when we look at the

2243
01:42:36,899 --> 01:42:34,030
paranormal thermal images they're not

2244
01:42:39,660 --> 01:42:36,909
like the thermal images of living beings

2245
01:42:41,910 --> 01:42:39,670
it's clear that the mechanism to create

2246
01:42:45,779 --> 01:42:41,920
the heat occur uniformly across the

2247
01:42:47,250 --> 01:42:45,789
entire figure and that it is the exact

2248
01:42:49,530 --> 01:42:47,260
same mechanism that's work

2249
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:49,540
all the way around it the bending of

2250
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:51,850
space would also create gravitational

2251
01:42:56,400 --> 01:42:54,370
pull and so many people say at the onset

2252
01:42:58,980 --> 01:42:56,410
of paranormal events they get a feeling

2253
01:43:00,650 --> 01:42:58,990
of heaviness so that would explain that

2254
01:43:03,480 --> 01:43:00,660
as well

2255
01:43:05,610 --> 01:43:03,490
so it almost follows there we can bend

2256
01:43:09,300 --> 01:43:05,620
space can we also Bend space in a way

2257
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:09,310
that we can go back and forward through

2258
01:43:14,820 --> 01:43:12,730
time or even break the light barrier you

2259
01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:14,830
know warp drive engage and all that

2260
01:43:23,580 --> 01:43:20,560
stuff in my model yes and no it takes it

2261
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:23,590
both ways yes in my model it is

2262
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:27,370
unnecessary to go through all of that

2263
01:43:32,940 --> 01:43:30,610
kind of physics to figure out how to get

2264
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:32,950
that done there's a completely different

2265
01:43:39,120 --> 01:43:36,250
way and a paranormal haunting for

2266
01:43:42,510 --> 01:43:39,130
example we see apparitions of people who

2267
01:43:45,590 --> 01:43:42,520
lived 150 years ago for example appear

2268
01:43:49,650 --> 01:43:45,600
and disappear or more precisely

2269
01:43:52,740 --> 01:43:49,660
materialize and dematerialize when that

2270
01:43:55,980 --> 01:43:52,750
19th century Victorian lady materializes

2271
01:43:57,840 --> 01:43:55,990
in an apparition it's being collected

2272
01:44:00,840 --> 01:43:57,850
and assembled from the exact same

2273
01:44:04,110 --> 01:44:00,850
information that assembled the original

2274
01:44:07,890 --> 01:44:04,120
lady 130 years ago which means not her

2275
01:44:09,780 --> 01:44:07,900
physical body but her information we

2276
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:09,790
picked up her information let's go into

2277
01:44:14,010 --> 01:44:11,770
that that's interesting maybe we could

2278
01:44:14,730 --> 01:44:14,020
travel through time and we hope we don't

2279
01:44:17,100 --> 01:44:14,740
change things

2280
01:44:28,070 --> 01:44:17,110
Thomas Fusco joins us with Jean and

2281
01:44:33,690 --> 01:44:30,290
America's number one source for

2282
01:44:38,970 --> 01:44:33,700
independent talk radio for over a decade

2283
01:44:40,440 --> 01:44:38,980
we are the gcn radio network hi Ted

2284
01:44:42,630 --> 01:44:40,450
Anderson announcing a great way to

2285
01:44:44,850 --> 01:44:42,640
listen to radio on the telephone by

2286
01:44:46,920 --> 01:44:44,860
calling seven six oh five six nine

2287
01:44:50,190 --> 01:44:46,930
seventy seven hundred you'll be hearing

2288
01:44:52,470 --> 01:44:50,200
GCM live.com programs in seconds come to

2289
01:44:54,750 --> 01:44:52,480
GC and live.com find your favorite host

2290
01:44:57,780 --> 01:44:54,760
dedicated phone number and hear them

2291
01:45:00,570 --> 01:44:57,790
24/7 you heard me right every show has a

2292
01:45:02,790 --> 01:45:00,580
dedicated phone number stop by GC and

2293
01:45:05,610 --> 01:45:02,800
live.com and bookmark their number today

2294
01:45:08,490 --> 01:45:05,620
and again that's seven six zero five six

2295
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:08,500
nine seventy seven hundred we the people

2296
01:45:12,240 --> 01:45:10,570
grow cotton wheat fabric engraving can

2297
01:45:13,800 --> 01:45:12,250
bed strips and fibers to protect from

2298
01:45:15,570 --> 01:45:13,810
counterfeit than carding to a private

2299
01:45:17,370 --> 01:45:15,580
bank having a led back at interest

2300
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:17,380
forcing taxes to service debt this

2301
01:45:20,670 --> 01:45:19,210
capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

2302
01:45:22,290 --> 01:45:20,680
stating a central bank issuing the

2303
01:45:23,430 --> 01:45:22,300
public currency is a greater menace to

2304
01:45:25,200 --> 01:45:23,440
the liberties of the people than a

2305
01:45:26,250 --> 01:45:25,210
standing army Ted Anderson I'm placing a

2306
01:45:28,380 --> 01:45:26,260
free silver dollar in a book that

2307
01:45:31,620 --> 01:45:28,390
explains our monetary system call for

2308
01:45:34,710 --> 01:45:31,630
your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time to

2309
01:45:38,010 --> 01:45:34,720
understand the system call 866 to 237

2310
01:45:44,099 --> 01:45:38,020
that's 800 686 to 237

2311
01:45:52,139 --> 01:45:47,799
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2312
01:45:59,500 --> 01:45:52,149
standard of paranormal radio and now

2313
01:46:02,139 --> 01:45:59,510
here's Jean Steinberg talk about the

2314
01:46:03,939 --> 01:46:02,149
frontiers of reality here with Jean and

2315
01:46:04,869 --> 01:46:03,949
Chris the book is called behind the

2316
01:46:07,419 --> 01:46:04,879
cosmic veil

2317
01:46:10,089 --> 01:46:07,429
Thomas Fusco is the guest he'll tell you

2318
01:46:11,619 --> 01:46:10,099
more about getting the book in a few

2319
01:46:14,799 --> 01:46:11,629
minutes but I should tell you if you go

2320
01:46:17,529 --> 01:46:14,809
to the para cast com you click on Thomas

2321
01:46:19,779 --> 01:46:17,539
Fusco's name you'll go to a site where

2322
01:46:22,270 --> 01:46:19,789
he it's kind of like a blog he talks

2323
01:46:23,189 --> 01:46:22,280
about the book and everything and also a

2324
01:46:27,009 --> 01:46:23,199
place where you can order the book

2325
01:46:30,489 --> 01:46:27,019
directly so that's pretty good ok so if

2326
01:46:33,489 --> 01:46:30,499
we see someone who died 150 years ago

2327
01:46:36,279 --> 01:46:33,499
are we seeing the images left in the

2328
01:46:39,729 --> 01:46:36,289
ether or whatever from that time or are

2329
01:46:41,739 --> 01:46:39,739
we actually seeing some kind of time

2330
01:46:45,159 --> 01:46:41,749
portal where we're seeing an event and

2331
01:46:48,369 --> 01:46:45,169
another time according to my particular

2332
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:48,379
theory we are looking at the exact same

2333
01:46:55,750 --> 01:46:52,010
information that comprise the original

2334
01:46:58,359 --> 01:46:55,760
person that lived let's say 130 or 150

2335
01:47:01,179 --> 01:46:58,369
years ago or whatever that everything in

2336
01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:01,189
the universe comprises materialized

2337
01:47:07,479 --> 01:47:04,489
information and according to my model

2338
01:47:11,189 --> 01:47:07,489
that information materializes within the

2339
01:47:14,469 --> 01:47:11,199
bends of space-time my model turns the

2340
01:47:17,379 --> 01:47:14,479
materialistic model completely upside

2341
01:47:20,290 --> 01:47:17,389
down doesn't contradict it it just

2342
01:47:24,429 --> 01:47:20,300
creates a mirror image of it so in other

2343
01:47:26,949 --> 01:47:24,439
words rather than mass bending space it

2344
01:47:28,599 --> 01:47:26,959
is the bending of space which creates an

2345
01:47:31,899 --> 01:47:28,609
environment in which mass can

2346
01:47:35,589 --> 01:47:31,909
materialize according to information and

2347
01:47:37,540 --> 01:47:35,599
that gives us an idea more clear than

2348
01:47:42,309 --> 01:47:37,550
ever how the universe was actually put

2349
01:47:44,290 --> 01:47:42,319
together so if you expand that bubble of

2350
01:47:46,389 --> 01:47:44,300
space-time created depression and

2351
01:47:49,059 --> 01:47:46,399
space-time inside of a haunted house and

2352
01:47:52,779 --> 01:47:49,069
if the information that's connected to

2353
01:47:54,849 --> 01:47:52,789
that site of that Victorian lady that

2354
01:47:57,189 --> 01:47:54,859
comes from a place that where time and

2355
01:47:59,229 --> 01:47:57,199
space has collapsed so far in is

2356
01:48:02,110 --> 01:47:59,239
that the difference between past and

2357
01:48:04,540 --> 01:48:02,120
present is almost indistinguishable and

2358
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:04,550
that information dropped down into that

2359
01:48:10,689 --> 01:48:07,850
into that ball of space-time it would

2360
01:48:13,330 --> 01:48:10,699
immediately begin to materialize into

2361
01:48:16,060 --> 01:48:13,340
that Victorian lady and we see an

2362
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:16,070
apparition of the same information that

2363
01:48:21,490 --> 01:48:18,890
is occurring 130 years in the past

2364
01:48:25,479 --> 01:48:21,500
that's really interesting because last

2365
01:48:28,450 --> 01:48:25,489
our last show with Ron James who along

2366
01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:28,460
with with me and a team of ghost hunters

2367
01:48:34,630 --> 01:48:31,520
produced a a pretty interesting DVD

2368
01:48:37,750 --> 01:48:34,640
project called dead whisper I related to

2369
01:48:41,020 --> 01:48:37,760
our audience a very interesting EVP or

2370
01:48:44,350 --> 01:48:41,030
electronic voice phenomenon effect that

2371
01:48:47,220 --> 01:48:44,360
seemed to support what you're saying in

2372
01:48:51,070 --> 01:48:47,230
terms of the elasticity of time we

2373
01:48:53,979 --> 01:48:51,080
recorded the exact words 45 minutes

2374
01:48:56,919 --> 01:48:53,989
later than they were repeated in the

2375
01:49:01,780 --> 01:48:56,929
room in other words the recording was

2376
01:49:04,450 --> 01:49:01,790
was recorded you know a phrase and then

2377
01:49:06,310 --> 01:49:04,460
we recorded on video about 45 minutes

2378
01:49:08,169 --> 01:49:06,320
later that same phrase and it wasn't

2379
01:49:11,620 --> 01:49:08,179
until we analyzed the recording from

2380
01:49:13,689 --> 01:49:11,630
another room and discovered the phrase

2381
01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:13,699
and then also discovered the fact that

2382
01:49:18,100 --> 01:49:16,250
that it had been recorded 45 minutes

2383
01:49:22,209 --> 01:49:18,110
before the actual phrase had been spoken

2384
01:49:24,970 --> 01:49:22,219
in the room that would then I guess at

2385
01:49:27,370 --> 01:49:24,980
least in my mind be explained by by your

2386
01:49:29,919 --> 01:49:27,380
theory that we're seeing time collapsing

2387
01:49:32,530 --> 01:49:29,929
almost in on itself yes

2388
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:32,540
think of a bicycle wheel and think of

2389
01:49:39,850 --> 01:49:37,370
the rim as our realm of space and time

2390
01:49:42,910 --> 01:49:39,860
matter and energy and then think about

2391
01:49:45,400 --> 01:49:42,920
the spokes that come out and connect to

2392
01:49:48,580 --> 01:49:45,410
the rim and when you trace it all back

2393
01:49:51,490 --> 01:49:48,590
down to the hub in the middle everything

2394
01:49:55,270 --> 01:49:51,500
is compressed in on itself so you cannot

2395
01:49:57,610 --> 01:49:55,280
distinguish either spokes or a rim it's

2396
01:49:59,110 --> 01:49:57,620
all collected into one as they would

2397
01:50:03,490 --> 01:49:59,120
call it a singularity

2398
01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:03,500
now when time and space are two elements

2399
01:50:08,260 --> 01:50:04,730
that are connected together in

2400
01:50:10,940 --> 01:50:08,270
space-time as Einstein proved when you

2401
01:50:14,590 --> 01:50:10,950
bend space you also distort

2402
01:50:18,110 --> 01:50:14,600
time and when you have beddings of space

2403
01:50:20,990 --> 01:50:18,120
that are abnormal that happened I say in

2404
01:50:23,200 --> 01:50:21,000
a haunted house you get some very

2405
01:50:26,540 --> 01:50:23,210
interesting things where information

2406
01:50:28,820 --> 01:50:26,550
passes in and out of space-time if

2407
01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:28,830
through these curves of space okay so

2408
01:50:33,650 --> 01:50:31,290
what I'm hearing is that the house isn't

2409
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:33,660
so much being haunted by a spirit it is

2410
01:50:39,740 --> 01:50:37,530
a place where you can see a reality that

2411
01:50:43,340 --> 01:50:39,750
occurred at some other year or some

2412
01:50:45,350 --> 01:50:43,350
other time now we've got to the point

2413
01:50:48,230 --> 01:50:45,360
guys where we could talk about the

2414
01:50:51,680 --> 01:50:48,240
criminology we have gotten far enough in

2415
01:50:55,190 --> 01:50:51,690
our thinking so we don't have to disturb

2416
01:50:58,300 --> 01:50:55,200
this model by introducing the idea that

2417
01:50:59,560 --> 01:50:58,310
intelligence is a coherent and

2418
01:51:03,020 --> 01:50:59,570
interactive

2419
01:51:06,350 --> 01:51:03,030
collection of information and so a

2420
01:51:09,530 --> 01:51:06,360
spirit would be that type of a

2421
01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:09,540
collection of intelligent living and

2422
01:51:15,050 --> 01:51:12,810
animated and interactive information so

2423
01:51:16,730 --> 01:51:15,060
now we could talk about that and say gee

2424
01:51:19,580 --> 01:51:16,740
we can look at it that way and now we

2425
01:51:22,070 --> 01:51:19,590
also have a physical mechanism by which

2426
01:51:26,060 --> 01:51:22,080
that information can materialize in our

2427
01:51:27,980 --> 01:51:26,070
realm now these are supposedly random

2428
01:51:30,140 --> 01:51:27,990
occurrences or maybe predictable in

2429
01:51:32,570 --> 01:51:30,150
certain places but is there something

2430
01:51:34,780 --> 01:51:32,580
about the haunted house that attracts

2431
01:51:38,060 --> 01:51:34,790
this sort of thing or it's just there

2432
01:51:41,420 --> 01:51:38,070
well one of my speculations and this is

2433
01:51:43,610 --> 01:51:41,430
definitely a speculation this has no way

2434
01:51:46,820 --> 01:51:43,620
to scientifically validate it

2435
01:51:50,780 --> 01:51:46,830
so my speculation is this based on the

2436
01:51:53,740 --> 01:51:50,790
ability of a human brain to change the

2437
01:51:57,440 --> 01:51:53,750
face of reality to materialize

2438
01:51:59,420 --> 01:51:57,450
information in the real world like what

2439
01:52:01,700 --> 01:51:59,430
people are sitting at computers maybe

2440
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:01,710
listening to this that computer can

2441
01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:03,930
occur naturally in nature its

2442
01:52:08,420 --> 01:52:06,090
materialized information from a human

2443
01:52:13,400 --> 01:52:08,430
brain that the human brain has the

2444
01:52:16,280 --> 01:52:13,410
ability through strong emotion trauma to

2445
01:52:19,580 --> 01:52:16,290
actually damage the fabric of space and

2446
01:52:22,660 --> 01:52:19,590
time in certain locations that sounds

2447
01:52:24,650 --> 01:52:22,670
like fun I'm gonna damage something soon

2448
01:52:26,510 --> 01:52:24,660
so it becomes like

2449
01:52:28,640 --> 01:52:26,520
two teeth like a piece of metal that

2450
01:52:31,340 --> 01:52:28,650
bends back and forth until it gets weak

2451
01:52:33,620 --> 01:52:31,350
then when you have intelligent

2452
01:52:36,790 --> 01:52:33,630
information that's connected to the

2453
01:52:39,740 --> 01:52:36,800
information from which the location is

2454
01:52:42,530 --> 01:52:39,750
assembled from is materialized from and

2455
01:52:45,260 --> 01:52:42,540
it has these doors being created by

2456
01:52:48,050 --> 01:52:45,270
these damages in space-time where they

2457
01:52:50,150 --> 01:52:48,060
can bend them easily that's my model of

2458
01:52:52,520 --> 01:52:50,160
why some places are haunted and others

2459
01:52:55,700 --> 01:52:52,530
are not does it follow that we can

2460
01:52:56,600 --> 01:52:55,710
recreate the circumstances and produce

2461
01:53:01,010 --> 01:52:56,610
this at will

2462
01:53:04,640 --> 01:53:01,020
I think if UFOs are intelligently

2463
01:53:08,300 --> 01:53:04,650
contrived craft that that's exactly what

2464
01:53:11,150 --> 01:53:08,310
UFOs have done whoever built them has

2465
01:53:13,610 --> 01:53:11,160
cracked the physics behind what we

2466
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:13,620
observe in haunted houses and have

2467
01:53:19,250 --> 01:53:16,410
designed technology according to those

2468
01:53:20,930 --> 01:53:19,260
principles so it follows then that there

2469
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:20,940
are principles that maybe we can

2470
01:53:26,060 --> 01:53:23,930
discover and create our own UFOs

2471
01:53:29,060 --> 01:53:26,070
absolutely once we understood the

2472
01:53:33,440 --> 01:53:29,070
physics let me mention something about

2473
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:33,450
EVPs real quick if we can you're a

2474
01:53:39,830 --> 01:53:36,690
normal voice for example we understand

2475
01:53:42,620 --> 01:53:39,840
the physics of sounds but what makes our

2476
01:53:44,630 --> 01:53:42,630
voices normal is that they're physically

2477
01:53:47,420 --> 01:53:44,640
connected to a set of vocal cords a

2478
01:53:49,970 --> 01:53:47,430
physical cause it's locally connected to

2479
01:53:53,180 --> 01:53:49,980
the agitation of the weight of the air

2480
01:53:56,390 --> 01:53:53,190
molecules that create sound now in

2481
01:54:00,110 --> 01:53:56,400
paranormal voices we have a disembodied

2482
01:54:02,210 --> 01:54:00,120
voice we have the effect and that's

2483
01:54:05,510 --> 01:54:02,220
normal we just don't have a physical

2484
01:54:07,340 --> 01:54:05,520
cause but if you expanded a bubble of

2485
01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:07,350
space-time in a haunted house

2486
01:54:13,940 --> 01:54:10,970
and then you materialized vocal

2487
01:54:16,160 --> 01:54:13,950
information the very edge of that bubble

2488
01:54:19,970 --> 01:54:16,170
would begin to vibrate and act like a

2489
01:54:23,120 --> 01:54:19,980
speaker and so the actual face of space

2490
01:54:25,250 --> 01:54:23,130
itself would body break like a set of

2491
01:54:29,120 --> 01:54:25,260
vocal cords and produce a disembodied

2492
01:54:31,340 --> 01:54:29,130
voice out of thin air the other thing it

2493
01:54:33,470 --> 01:54:31,350
would do we talked about earlier that

2494
01:54:36,020 --> 01:54:33,480
that expanding of space would create an

2495
01:54:38,680 --> 01:54:36,030
electromagnetic field at certain

2496
01:54:41,350 --> 01:54:38,690
frequencies when that

2497
01:54:43,780 --> 01:54:41,360
that surface of the space-time bubble is

2498
01:54:45,330 --> 01:54:43,790
vibrating it would set off an

2499
01:54:47,620 --> 01:54:45,340
oscillation a compression

2500
01:54:50,110 --> 01:54:47,630
electromagnetic compression wave that

2501
01:54:52,709 --> 01:54:50,120
would induce itself directly on the

2502
01:54:55,150 --> 01:54:52,719
copper coils of a recording microphone

2503
01:54:58,780 --> 01:54:55,160
completely bypassing the analog

2504
01:55:01,870 --> 01:54:58,790
diaphragm and so once it got those that

2505
01:55:04,209 --> 01:55:01,880
field induced onto those coils it would

2506
01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:04,219
be just like the diaphragm creating the

2507
01:55:08,770 --> 01:55:06,530
field it would go into the recording

2508
01:55:11,350 --> 01:55:08,780
device and it would translate it into

2509
01:55:13,150 --> 01:55:11,360
audible voices and so you would hear

2510
01:55:14,860 --> 01:55:13,160
something on the recorder nobody ought

2511
01:55:16,050 --> 01:55:14,870
to be hurt it's standing right next to

2512
01:55:17,979 --> 01:55:16,060
it because it would be

2513
01:55:19,990 --> 01:55:17,989
electromagnetically induced onto the

2514
01:55:22,090 --> 01:55:20,000
recorder and we've talked about things

2515
01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:22,100
like that happening from time to time we

2516
01:55:26,439 --> 01:55:24,170
have Thomas Fusco the book is behind the

2517
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cosmic veil with Gene and Kris you're in

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these exclusive para cast things that

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we've got like I guess 60 or so

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for women's stuff for men we have all

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a lot of good stuff that's the swag from

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the para cast to go to stored onto the

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para cast comm stop by and take a

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shopping tour me Jerry D Jerry and his

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2566
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that's what it sounds like when a

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burglar kicks in the door of a dark

2568
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house that looks like no one is home

2569
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don't let your home be the next target

2570
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make it look like someone is home

2571
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watching television with fake TV fake TV

2572
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is a small electronic device that makes

2573
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the same light as a real television so

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from outside it looks like someone is

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home watching TV fake TV plugs in just

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like a lamp on a timer

2577
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but as far more convincing to burglars

2578
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fake TV deters burglars cost far less

2579
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than an alarm and is highly recommended

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by numerous police departments used at

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this is Jacques Vallee and you're

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02:00:00,320 --> 01:59:56,850
down with Thomas Fusco a fascinating

2617
02:00:03,080 --> 02:00:00,330
scientific look at reality how things

2618
02:00:07,700 --> 02:00:03,090
might intersect about UFOs about

2619
02:00:09,919 --> 02:00:07,710
paranormal phenomena about maybe molding

2620
02:00:12,229 --> 02:00:09,929
reality the way we want it and of course

2621
02:00:14,570 --> 02:00:12,239
if you can change reality how do we know

2622
02:00:18,669 --> 02:00:14,580
that what we see is real is that a

2623
02:00:21,680 --> 02:00:18,679
statement or a question I think both

2624
02:00:24,770 --> 02:00:21,690
Goodwin Jean Goodwin well if the

2625
02:00:27,320 --> 02:00:24,780
universe at part of the universe is an

2626
02:00:28,970 --> 02:00:27,330
intelligent function and again based on

2627
02:00:30,410 --> 02:00:28,980
that idea of being a subset of the

2628
02:00:33,590 --> 02:00:30,420
greater system that we're intelligent

2629
02:00:35,979 --> 02:00:33,600
the greater system must be intelligent

2630
02:00:38,720 --> 02:00:35,989
we know that intelligence is dynamic

2631
02:00:41,300 --> 02:00:38,730
they're sentences that you and I have

2632
02:00:43,910 --> 02:00:41,310
spoken during this conversation that you

2633
02:00:45,830 --> 02:00:43,920
and I have never spoken before so we

2634
02:00:47,750 --> 02:00:45,840
have created something new of the

2635
02:00:50,390 --> 02:00:47,760
existing elements that didn't exist

2636
02:00:55,160 --> 02:00:50,400
before in a sense we've actually changed

2637
02:00:58,760 --> 02:00:55,170
or altered reality so reality emerges

2638
02:01:02,300 --> 02:00:58,770
from this inherent intelligence in part

2639
02:01:05,330 --> 02:01:02,310
so reality is always changing and so I

2640
02:01:07,820 --> 02:01:05,340
would say yes it's a basic nature of of

2641
02:01:09,950 --> 02:01:07,830
existence you've been referring and kind

2642
02:01:12,290 --> 02:01:09,960
of dancing around your theory but we

2643
02:01:14,680 --> 02:01:12,300
really haven't yet discussed how you

2644
02:01:17,360 --> 02:01:14,690
came up with the term super geometry and

2645
02:01:18,979 --> 02:01:17,370
in in for the sake of maybe some

2646
02:01:21,160 --> 02:01:18,989
listeners that are tuning in late here

2647
02:01:24,200 --> 02:01:21,170
what would be a good thumbnail

2648
02:01:27,709 --> 02:01:24,210
definition of your term super geometry

2649
02:01:30,320 --> 02:01:27,719
well it comes it's a two-fold word we

2650
02:01:32,870 --> 02:01:30,330
have the spatial geometry of height

2651
02:01:37,280 --> 02:01:32,880
width and depth and we also have a

2652
02:01:40,040 --> 02:01:37,290
temporal dimension of time but if we

2653
02:01:44,149 --> 02:01:40,050
were to have a super set on top of the

2654
02:01:47,050 --> 02:01:44,159
physical universe that had an order that

2655
02:01:49,939 --> 02:01:47,060
had a structure but it had no physical

2656
02:01:51,800 --> 02:01:49,949
dimensional ISM that would be a kind of

2657
02:01:55,250 --> 02:01:51,810
a geometry that

2658
02:01:57,530 --> 02:01:55,260
would be above the physical and so as we

2659
02:02:00,170 --> 02:01:57,540
talked about earlier about the different

2660
02:02:03,110 --> 02:02:00,180
things like Plato's form and universal

2661
02:02:06,020 --> 02:02:03,120
consciousness and an implicit order I

2662
02:02:08,690 --> 02:02:06,030
felt that the word super geometry was

2663
02:02:11,900 --> 02:02:08,700
not only more scientifically consistent

2664
02:02:14,180 --> 02:02:11,910
with the terms of science uses but the

2665
02:02:16,880 --> 02:02:14,190
term geometry gives us some sort of a

2666
02:02:18,560 --> 02:02:16,890
tangible sense of something that we can

2667
02:02:20,840 --> 02:02:18,570
actually kind of start wrapping our

2668
02:02:23,540 --> 02:02:20,850
heads around that's where the word super

2669
02:02:26,690 --> 02:02:23,550
geometry comes from it kind of leads us

2670
02:02:30,410 --> 02:02:26,700
to a question by our healthily skeptical

2671
02:02:33,020 --> 02:02:30,420
moderator Angelou and he's wondering if

2672
02:02:34,880 --> 02:02:33,030
you've gained any sort of support for

2673
02:02:37,610 --> 02:02:34,890
your theory from the mainstream

2674
02:02:40,340 --> 02:02:37,620
physicists such as Brian green Neil

2675
02:02:42,290 --> 02:02:40,350
Tyson and Sheldon Cooper have you

2676
02:02:44,720 --> 02:02:42,300
bounced your your theories and your

2677
02:02:47,240 --> 02:02:44,730
thinking off let's say a quantum

2678
02:02:49,760 --> 02:02:47,250
physicist or someone that's involved in

2679
02:02:51,620 --> 02:02:49,770
the hard sciences yes I've talked to a

2680
02:02:54,320 --> 02:02:51,630
number of them they've corresponding

2681
02:02:55,970 --> 02:02:54,330
with me privately over my email on the

2682
02:02:58,760 --> 02:02:55,980
website because again one of the

2683
02:03:00,380 --> 02:02:58,770
problems is it established physicists

2684
02:03:02,540 --> 02:03:00,390
don't want to associate themselves with

2685
02:03:05,120 --> 02:03:02,550
these kinds of things it's bad for their

2686
02:03:07,250 --> 02:03:05,130
business but more importantly most of

2687
02:03:08,960 --> 02:03:07,260
the people in in the paranormal

2688
02:03:12,860 --> 02:03:08,970
community are familiar with David

2689
02:03:15,920 --> 02:03:12,870
Rountree and what this is the crazy

2690
02:03:19,280 --> 02:03:15,930
thing about this guys this is my model

2691
02:03:22,490 --> 02:03:19,290
makes a number of predictions that are

2692
02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:22,500
testable this is what's differentiating

2693
02:03:27,110 --> 02:03:25,530
it from philosophies and metaphysics and

2694
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other kinds of things that you've heard

2695
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before this is something extremely

2696
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different and a couple of the things

2697
02:03:38,030 --> 02:03:35,120
that it predicts in a haunted house

2698
02:03:41,780 --> 02:03:38,040
number one we would see barometric

2699
02:03:44,840 --> 02:03:41,790
pressure variations we would see the

2700
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distortion of time we would see the

2701
02:03:49,490 --> 02:03:46,980
creation of gravitational independent

2702
02:03:52,220 --> 02:03:49,500
gravitational fields and so on three

2703
02:03:54,620 --> 02:03:52,230
axes that in other words it's a separate

2704
02:03:57,020 --> 02:03:54,630
field that's opening up other than the

2705
02:04:00,590 --> 02:03:57,030
one that is of the earth we would

2706
02:04:03,260 --> 02:04:00,600
predict that a EVP could be recorded in

2707
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a vacuum and we would also be able to

2708
02:04:08,150 --> 02:04:05,730
predict that an EVP could be

2709
02:04:10,490 --> 02:04:08,160
supported on a recorder where the

2710
02:04:12,710 --> 02:04:10,500
diaphragm has actually been removed a

2711
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couple months ago in an interview and it

2712
02:04:16,760 --> 02:04:14,640
was the first time I met David Roundtree

2713
02:04:19,490 --> 02:04:16,770
and we sat down and started comparing

2714
02:04:22,460 --> 02:04:19,500
notes and he has actually conducted

2715
02:04:26,810 --> 02:04:22,470
these experiments that have verified the

2716
02:04:28,700 --> 02:04:26,820
predictions that my theory makes we had

2717
02:04:33,350 --> 02:04:28,710
David Rountree on the program back in

2718
02:04:35,479 --> 02:04:33,360
January 2010 so yes he does he is

2719
02:04:37,220 --> 02:04:35,489
involved in some cutting-edge research

2720
02:04:38,990 --> 02:04:37,230
and and you bring up a very interesting

2721
02:04:41,840 --> 02:04:39,000
point that you would you know there's a

2722
02:04:45,650 --> 02:04:41,850
real potential for demonstrating some

2723
02:04:48,950 --> 02:04:45,660
sort of of you know time compression and

2724
02:04:52,460 --> 02:04:48,960
and and effects that actually violate

2725
02:04:54,350 --> 02:04:52,470
the the laws of time or the temple the

2726
02:04:58,220 --> 02:04:54,360
temple fourth dimension for lack of a

2727
02:05:00,620 --> 02:04:58,230
better term and as as I described in a

2728
02:05:04,970 --> 02:05:00,630
previous question yes I personally have

2729
02:05:07,729 --> 02:05:04,980
been involved in in demonstrating that

2730
02:05:09,830 --> 02:05:07,739
in one sense and then in other senses -

2731
02:05:12,530 --> 02:05:09,840
we've had EVPs that have answered

2732
02:05:15,220 --> 02:05:12,540
questions before they were asked which

2733
02:05:17,479 --> 02:05:15,230
always puzzled me but with your model

2734
02:05:19,400 --> 02:05:17,489
you you're saying that you could

2735
02:05:23,330 --> 02:05:19,410
actually explain that and expect that

2736
02:05:25,850 --> 02:05:23,340
now what about are you familiar with the

2737
02:05:27,050 --> 02:05:25,860
what probably are the first EVP

2738
02:05:30,410 --> 02:05:27,060
recordings I think they were done in

2739
02:05:33,650 --> 02:05:30,420
1909 in Siberia on an Edison wax

2740
02:05:35,690 --> 02:05:33,660
cylinder that I don't believe had a

2741
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diaphragm I think it was recorded

2742
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directly onto the wax I'm not exactly

2743
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sure the rudimentary electronics behind

2744
02:05:50,380 --> 02:05:46,230
the original recording device which is a

2745
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wax cylinder that Edison invented but

2746
02:05:57,620 --> 02:05:53,370
would that be an example of a diaphragm

2747
02:06:00,290 --> 02:05:57,630
less recording no because the the Edison

2748
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recorder had a diaphragm that was

2749
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connected to the needle that cut the

2750
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grooves in the wax cylinder it was a

2751
02:06:11,870 --> 02:06:09,030
completely analog device but it was an

2752
02:06:13,460 --> 02:06:11,880
acoustical device you know

2753
02:06:17,360 --> 02:06:13,470
something occurs to me as we talk here

2754
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yeah fascinating book here lots of

2755
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interesting theories

2756
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but where do you take it can you take it

2757
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to mainstream science and say hey this

2758
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is a pretty good idea when we should

2759
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explore this is where my work has been

2760
02:06:34,819 --> 02:06:31,619
different than anything that has come

2761
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:34,829
before David Rountree when he got an

2762
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understanding of what my model was he

2763
02:06:44,559 --> 02:06:40,019
commented about my work that it was the

2764
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first model of the paranormal that

2765
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actually gives us a road map by which we

2766
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can conduct and design specific

2767
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experiments to test it and moreover

2768
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after conferring with him he and I have

2769
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talked about the possibility of

2770
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collaborating together to come up with

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in the first time in history a

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scientific paper that we will be able to

2773
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submit to the mainstream scientific

2774
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community one paranormal phenomenon well

2775
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at this point they haven't paid

2776
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attention how do you make them pay

2777
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attention to this paper how do you get

2778
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them to say hey these are just a couple

2779
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of Lulu's coming out of the woodwork we

2780
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don't need to hear from them how do they

2781
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take you seriously well this is where my

2782
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theory is different what I liken it to

2783
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is kind of a you know a couple different

2784
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boxing rings we have the boxing ring of

2785
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the paranormal and we've been trying to

2786
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get the physicist to say come in over

2787
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into our ring visit us you know play

2788
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over here so to speak then it's not you

2789
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out yeah they won't do it what my theory

2790
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does is it gives us a model by which we

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can go into their boxing ring in their

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own home court advantage with their own

2793
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rules and the lick'em hey we've got

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Thomas Fusco joining us the book is

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behind the cosmic veil and don't forget

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known as the para cast what else the

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listening to the parent cap so you go on

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their own turf Thomas Fusco and you show

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what's going on and you get them to take

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you seriously I'll help with that I'll

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field investigators you devised the

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experiments and will will help you

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perform them and some of the the more I

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would say viable haunted sites that we

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have access to what I can do is to give

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them a model and this is what's

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different too

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you have to understand something with

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with with my work let's say as opposed

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to something that David Roundtree has

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done my model shows a greater picture of

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reality it's a theory of everything a

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conceptual theory of everything and what

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this model says is that if you look at

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this specific segment of reality like

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say through a window if you look through

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this window this theory says that this

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is what you will see now this window for

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example let's say one of these windows

2928
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is paranormal phenomena now David

2929
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Roundtree has done except a sense of

2930
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testing and experimentation inside that

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window so my theory comes from a greater

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view that says when we look through this

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paranormal window this is what we'll see

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and then we look at the experiments of

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David Rountree and they demonstrate

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exactly what my theory says that you

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will see but this goes beyond that for

2938
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example one of the things that

2939
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physicists astrophysicists have

2940
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struggled with is how the early universe

2941
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expanded so quickly and then slowed down

2942
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they can't figure it out they're trying

2943
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to find a material explanation with a

2944
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gallery getting into too much detail one

2945
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of the predictions that my model makes

2946
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is that the first moments of the Big

2947
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Bang were superluminal they were super

2948
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light so by the time the physical

2949
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universe

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materialised it actually materialized

2951
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and like a ring so I call the beginning

2952
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of the universe two big puffs instead of

2953
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the Big Bang the big puffy magic dragon

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it's a big food one you could take a

2955
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theory like this and go to mainstream

2956
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science and say this answers that

2957
02:15:23,279 --> 02:15:21,039
question why can't you find a graviton

2958
02:15:26,669 --> 02:15:23,289
this answers that question

2959
02:15:31,319 --> 02:15:26,679
why can't you tie down this Higgs boson

2960
02:15:33,660 --> 02:15:31,329
this answers that question why do do

2961
02:15:36,209 --> 02:15:33,670
atoms form the way they do which this

2962
02:15:39,569 --> 02:15:36,219
theory talks about this answers that

2963
02:15:42,330 --> 02:15:39,579
question why do we have a timeline this

2964
02:15:45,089 --> 02:15:42,340
theory answers that question paranormal

2965
02:15:47,669 --> 02:15:45,099
is just a small window out of this

2966
02:15:49,379 --> 02:15:47,679
theory so yeah when you have something

2967
02:15:51,600 --> 02:15:49,389
like that well you could say I've got a

2968
02:15:54,750 --> 02:15:51,610
model that answers more questions than

2969
02:15:57,299 --> 02:15:54,760
yours and we actually have testable

2970
02:15:59,910 --> 02:15:57,309
results they have to pay attention they

2971
02:16:02,879 --> 02:15:59,920
can't ignore you any longer well like I

2972
02:16:07,290 --> 02:16:02,889
said I mean I would be this would be a

2973
02:16:10,910 --> 02:16:07,300
real wonderful opportunity to you know

2974
02:16:12,600 --> 02:16:10,920
to possibly work on developing some

2975
02:16:16,080 --> 02:16:12,610
experiments that would be able to

2976
02:16:20,370 --> 02:16:16,090
demonstrate predictability within your

2977
02:16:23,479 --> 02:16:20,380
model and hey I will volunteer to help

2978
02:16:26,430 --> 02:16:23,489
you do this i one of the top EVP experts

2979
02:16:28,919 --> 02:16:26,440
around who's been on the show Michael

2980
02:16:30,629 --> 02:16:28,929
Esposito and I have been coming up with

2981
02:16:32,879 --> 02:16:30,639
some pretty creative experiments but I

2982
02:16:35,160 --> 02:16:32,889
tell ya if you and David will come up

2983
02:16:37,769 --> 02:16:35,170
with some in and maybe bounce some

2984
02:16:40,969 --> 02:16:37,779
office it might be interesting to take

2985
02:16:43,620 --> 02:16:40,979
this to the next step and next level

2986
02:16:46,290 --> 02:16:43,630
you're right one of the experiments that

2987
02:16:49,530 --> 02:16:46,300
I predict that I'm hoping some of the

2988
02:16:52,709 --> 02:16:49,540
organizations will pick up on is that

2989
02:16:53,790 --> 02:16:52,719
the electromagnetic fields that are

2990
02:16:57,509 --> 02:16:53,800
being measured

2991
02:17:00,030 --> 02:16:57,519
we only measure them for quantity right

2992
02:17:02,639 --> 02:17:00,040
now there's very little work going on

2993
02:17:05,519 --> 02:17:02,649
actually measures exact qualities

2994
02:17:07,080 --> 02:17:05,529
frequencies and amplitudes and we know

2995
02:17:10,230 --> 02:17:07,090
that we have malfunctioning of

2996
02:17:11,219 --> 02:17:10,240
electrical equipment at times in the

2997
02:17:14,189 --> 02:17:11,229
presence of pair

2998
02:17:18,269 --> 02:17:14,199
normal events when they emerge so one of

2999
02:17:20,580 --> 02:17:18,279
my predictable tests is that we need to

3000
02:17:22,469 --> 02:17:20,590
start testing the frequency and

3001
02:17:25,410 --> 02:17:22,479
amplitude of these electromagnetic

3002
02:17:27,359 --> 02:17:25,420
fields and my prediction is is that when

3003
02:17:29,370 --> 02:17:27,369
you see the begin to see your cameras

3004
02:17:31,620 --> 02:17:29,380
and your other equipment malfunction you

3005
02:17:33,929 --> 02:17:31,630
will find that that's going to happen at

3006
02:17:35,519 --> 02:17:33,939
a certain wavelength and then when you

3007
02:17:37,349 --> 02:17:35,529
go into next haunted house and it

3008
02:17:39,629 --> 02:17:37,359
happens you're gonna find it's going to

3009
02:17:41,339 --> 02:17:39,639
happen at the very same wavelength and

3010
02:17:44,580 --> 02:17:41,349
so this is one of the predictions that

3011
02:17:47,370 --> 02:17:44,590
my theory makes that under certain

3012
02:17:50,009 --> 02:17:47,380
wavelengths you're going to see these

3013
02:17:52,139 --> 02:17:50,019
malfunctions you're going to see at

3014
02:17:55,019 --> 02:17:52,149
certain wavelengths where you hear an

3015
02:17:57,359 --> 02:17:55,029
audible voice that picks up on over

3016
02:17:59,189 --> 02:17:57,369
quarter does that follow then that you

3017
02:18:01,370 --> 02:17:59,199
can make a normal house into a haunted

3018
02:18:04,169 --> 02:18:01,380
house I think that you could

3019
02:18:06,450 --> 02:18:04,179
theoretically according to my pictures

3020
02:18:09,959 --> 02:18:06,460
all we would have to do is figure out

3021
02:18:13,979 --> 02:18:09,969
what the mechanism is going on in nature

3022
02:18:19,109 --> 02:18:13,989
that bends space and then reproduce it

3023
02:18:21,540 --> 02:18:19,119
if you can create a bend in space you

3024
02:18:23,669 --> 02:18:21,550
can make these things occur is that on

3025
02:18:25,889 --> 02:18:23,679
the Grande UFOs out does that mean

3026
02:18:28,410 --> 02:18:25,899
bringing Bigfoot out of Bigfoot is

3027
02:18:31,709 --> 02:18:28,420
something paranormal well I'm not sure

3028
02:18:35,459 --> 02:18:31,719
about Bigfoot I look at Bigfoot more

3029
02:18:37,679 --> 02:18:35,469
along the lines of cryptozoology I think

3030
02:18:39,989 --> 02:18:37,689
there is a creature out there it's just

3031
02:18:43,319 --> 02:18:39,999
something we have to discover kind of

3032
02:18:45,389 --> 02:18:43,329
like Loren Coleman says yeah somebody's

3033
02:18:47,429 --> 02:18:45,399
good at dragging a body but I don't

3034
02:18:50,069 --> 02:18:47,439
think anybody's ever dragging a physical

3035
02:18:52,410 --> 02:18:50,079
body of a shadow ghost it's it's a very

3036
02:18:55,379 --> 02:18:52,420
different kind of phenomena well what

3037
02:18:57,290 --> 02:18:55,389
you're talking about it basically boils

3038
02:19:00,120 --> 02:18:57,300
down to frequent frequency and amplitude

3039
02:19:03,239 --> 02:19:00,130
if we could figure out the frequency in

3040
02:19:05,819 --> 02:19:03,249
the amplitude then we could generate

3041
02:19:10,559 --> 02:19:05,829
that and maybe tune an environment let's

3042
02:19:13,489 --> 02:19:10,569
say yeah so one of the things that

3043
02:19:16,620 --> 02:19:13,499
Michael and I have been working on is

3044
02:19:19,080 --> 02:19:16,630
using dissonant tones and and attempting

3045
02:19:21,179 --> 02:19:19,090
to vibrate the the actual structure

3046
02:19:23,370 --> 02:19:21,189
itself with dissonant tones and

3047
02:19:24,700 --> 02:19:23,380
harmonious harmonious tones in other

3048
02:19:27,580 --> 02:19:24,710
words taking

3049
02:19:30,400 --> 02:19:27,590
amplified tuning forks and creating

3050
02:19:32,560 --> 02:19:30,410
resonant frequencies within within a

3051
02:19:34,270 --> 02:19:32,570
haunted site structure another

3052
02:19:37,330 --> 02:19:34,280
experiment that we've been considering

3053
02:19:40,930 --> 02:19:37,340
is going to a tuberculosis Hospital and

3054
02:19:43,719 --> 02:19:40,940
and introducing into the environment

3055
02:19:45,759 --> 02:19:43,729
sonically the sound of iron lung

3056
02:19:48,070 --> 02:19:45,769
machines the clicking of Zippo lighters

3057
02:19:51,820 --> 02:19:48,080
and then in the more tactile sense

3058
02:19:54,910 --> 02:19:51,830
introducing cigarette and cigar smoke in

3059
02:19:57,100 --> 02:19:54,920
one at one idea having a stand-up tragic

3060
02:19:59,710 --> 02:19:57,110
friend of Michaels who's actually about

3061
02:20:01,840 --> 02:19:59,720
severe asthmatic talk about how

3062
02:20:03,370 --> 02:20:01,850
difficult it is to be someone that

3063
02:20:05,350 --> 02:20:03,380
suffers from asthma do you think these

3064
02:20:06,090 --> 02:20:05,360
types of approaches may be on the right

3065
02:20:11,430 --> 02:20:06,100
track

3066
02:20:14,740 --> 02:20:11,440
yes what I would say though is that as

3067
02:20:18,400 --> 02:20:14,750
Roundtree's said about my about my

3068
02:20:20,500 --> 02:20:18,410
theory it gives us a road map so rather

3069
02:20:24,820 --> 02:20:20,510
than to kind of go into a helter skelter

3070
02:20:27,100 --> 02:20:24,830
so to speak in and and just you know see

3071
02:20:29,550 --> 02:20:27,110
what you come up with this gives you an

3072
02:20:34,090 --> 02:20:29,560
idea where you can begin to start

3073
02:20:36,670 --> 02:20:34,100
formulating very specific things and say

3074
02:20:41,770 --> 02:20:36,680
well we have certain frequencies that we

3075
02:20:43,390 --> 02:20:41,780
could try based on the idea you have any

3076
02:20:45,280 --> 02:20:43,400
do you have any frequencies in mind I

3077
02:20:48,820 --> 02:20:45,290
mean have it has any work been done to

3078
02:20:53,050 --> 02:20:48,830
identify the frequency of of this field

3079
02:20:55,900 --> 02:20:53,060
effect has come up with some of these

3080
02:21:00,310 --> 02:20:55,910
frequencies what he called carrier waves

3081
02:21:02,920 --> 02:21:00,320
and so he still experimenting on it it's

3082
02:21:05,800 --> 02:21:02,930
still he's still kind of doing two tabs

3083
02:21:08,440 --> 02:21:05,810
in the dark to like like what you were

3084
02:21:11,860 --> 02:21:08,450
talking about hey let's let's try this

3085
02:21:15,130 --> 02:21:11,870
and see what happens and he gets some

3086
02:21:19,080 --> 02:21:15,140
great results what my model does is

3087
02:21:22,960 --> 02:21:19,090
gives us a specific direction to go in

3088
02:21:25,420 --> 02:21:22,970
for example if the human consciousness

3089
02:21:28,210 --> 02:21:25,430
and this has never been looked at like

3090
02:21:31,540 --> 02:21:28,220
this before if the human brain is a

3091
02:21:34,240 --> 02:21:31,550
subset of the same intelligence the

3092
02:21:36,070 --> 02:21:34,250
shapes and constructs the universe then

3093
02:21:38,769 --> 02:21:36,080
we already know quite a bit about

3094
02:21:41,110 --> 02:21:38,779
brainwave frequencies

3095
02:21:44,260 --> 02:21:41,120
we should look at that we should try

3096
02:21:46,330 --> 02:21:44,270
those frequencies so that also raises

3097
02:21:49,570 --> 02:21:46,340
the question what about people who take

3098
02:21:52,780 --> 02:21:49,580
certain substances that we can name to

3099
02:21:55,630 --> 02:21:52,790
see the larger universe or share in the

3100
02:21:57,880 --> 02:21:55,640
universal consciousness do we need to

3101
02:21:59,590 --> 02:21:57,890
blow our minds to get there do we

3102
02:22:01,000 --> 02:21:59,600
meditate to get there is it just

3103
02:22:04,330 --> 02:22:01,010
something natural that will you will

3104
02:22:06,309 --> 02:22:04,340
discover over time and that raises more

3105
02:22:08,050 --> 02:22:06,319
and more questions this is the kind of

3106
02:22:10,690 --> 02:22:08,060
reality and the kind of exploration that

3107
02:22:12,400 --> 02:22:10,700
can take us into many more episodes get

3108
02:22:13,120 --> 02:22:12,410
mr. Roundtree back on the show that will

3109
02:22:15,460 --> 02:22:13,130
be interesting

3110
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exploring the universal consciousness

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and the part we play so people who use

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certain substances or meditation is that

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what we have to do to sense the part of

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share well I I don't know what to say

3223
02:27:28,170 --> 02:27:25,010
about that

3224
02:27:33,640 --> 02:27:28,180
you know I wouldn't encourage the use of

3225
02:27:36,490 --> 02:27:33,650
illicit drugs or substances but what I

3226
02:27:40,301 --> 02:27:36,500
would say is this we certainly know that

3227
02:27:42,640 --> 02:27:40,311
all of these kinds of substances have an

3228
02:27:42,940 --> 02:27:42,650
effect on the wave functions of the

3229
02:27:46,270 --> 02:27:42,950
brain

3230
02:27:50,051 --> 02:27:46,280
this is this has been observed and

3231
02:27:53,400 --> 02:27:50,061
measured and of course when you're

3232
02:27:56,880 --> 02:27:53,410
speaking about wave functions in

3233
02:27:59,920 --> 02:27:56,890
synchronicity so to speak with

3234
02:28:02,710 --> 02:27:59,930
information that the brain is kind of

3235
02:28:04,900 --> 02:28:02,720
like a computer it has information and

3236
02:28:07,060 --> 02:28:04,910
it it's shaped by information and

3237
02:28:09,040 --> 02:28:07,070
processes information you're going to

3238
02:28:12,761 --> 02:28:09,050
see different kinds of things for

3239
02:28:17,170 --> 02:28:12,771
example we have certain devices that are

3240
02:28:20,230 --> 02:28:17,180
able to detect ultra light radiation or

3241
02:28:24,390 --> 02:28:20,240
infrared radiation our natural eyes

3242
02:28:28,420 --> 02:28:24,400
cannot and so there are certainly a

3243
02:28:31,360 --> 02:28:28,430
scientifically understandable reasoning

3244
02:28:34,060 --> 02:28:31,370
behind the idea that if we change the

3245
02:28:36,310 --> 02:28:34,070
wavelength patterns in the human brain

3246
02:28:38,500 --> 02:28:36,320
that it will be able to perceive

3247
02:28:40,810 --> 02:28:38,510
different levels of reality that it

3248
02:28:44,650 --> 02:28:40,820
won't in its natural state sounds like a

3249
02:28:47,560 --> 02:28:44,660
yes to me Jane sure guys Chris are we

3250
02:28:49,430 --> 02:28:47,570
out of questions from the forum and the

3251
02:28:51,200 --> 02:28:49,440
only other

3252
02:28:55,670 --> 02:28:51,210
the thing that I personally want to want

3253
02:28:58,370 --> 02:28:55,680
to again ask is you know how how do we

3254
02:29:02,540 --> 02:28:58,380
set up a research model that will gather

3255
02:29:05,180 --> 02:29:02,550
the kind of hypothetical or projected

3256
02:29:08,540 --> 02:29:05,190
results that you're referring to I mean

3257
02:29:12,350 --> 02:29:08,550
do we need to hook up a graviton etre in

3258
02:29:14,900 --> 02:29:12,360
a haunted site how about a magnetometer

3259
02:29:16,850 --> 02:29:14,910
what sort of instrumentation would you

3260
02:29:20,150 --> 02:29:16,860
suggest using that you don't see on your

3261
02:29:22,940 --> 02:29:20,160
your typical ghost show with with their

3262
02:29:26,000 --> 02:29:22,950
their their instrumentation being

3263
02:29:27,801 --> 02:29:26,010
glowing green eyes and goosebumps well

3264
02:29:29,990 --> 02:29:27,811
this is interesting that you're saying

3265
02:29:33,920 --> 02:29:30,000
this is that one of the things that

3266
02:29:37,131 --> 02:29:33,930
David Rountree has is successfully

3267
02:29:40,730 --> 02:29:37,141
experimented with was I think what he's

3268
02:29:45,170 --> 02:29:40,740
using are that device it's called I

3269
02:29:47,810 --> 02:29:45,180
touch that when you rotate the device it

3270
02:29:49,820 --> 02:29:47,820
changes the screen the angle of the

3271
02:29:52,310 --> 02:29:49,830
screen as you're rotating the image on

3272
02:29:57,020 --> 02:29:52,320
the screen and these are the devices he

3273
02:29:59,240 --> 02:29:57,030
used to detect the distortions to

3274
02:30:02,270 --> 02:29:59,250
fluctuations in local gravitational

3275
02:30:05,200 --> 02:30:02,280
fields and that's how he figured out

3276
02:30:07,610 --> 02:30:05,210
that there was actually an additional

3277
02:30:08,511 --> 02:30:07,620
gravitational field coming into

3278
02:30:11,750 --> 02:30:08,521
existence

3279
02:30:14,930 --> 02:30:11,760
other than the one that is associated

3280
02:30:15,881 --> 02:30:14,940
with the earth what we need to do is

3281
02:30:21,500 --> 02:30:15,891
this

3282
02:30:24,350 --> 02:30:21,510
connective tissue that puts together all

3283
02:30:27,381 --> 02:30:24,360
of these seemingly disparate paranormal

3284
02:30:30,640 --> 02:30:27,391
observations and explains them all with

3285
02:30:33,830 --> 02:30:30,650
a single model so we need to start

3286
02:30:35,690 --> 02:30:33,840
coordinating this equipment so in other

3287
02:30:37,270 --> 02:30:35,700
words you know somebody could be

3288
02:30:40,180 --> 02:30:37,280
wandering around with a barometer

3289
02:30:43,490 --> 02:30:40,190
someone could be wandering around with a

3290
02:30:46,011 --> 02:30:43,500
thermometer another person's wandering

3291
02:30:48,370 --> 02:30:46,021
around with an EMF meter these things

3292
02:30:50,810 --> 02:30:48,380
need to be put together in one place

3293
02:30:56,330 --> 02:30:50,820
they need to be built into a single

3294
02:30:59,570 --> 02:30:56,340
testing apparatus and so we can then see

3295
02:31:02,990 --> 02:30:59,580
yes not only at this very moment of a

3296
02:31:06,290 --> 02:31:03,000
paranormal event do we detect this

3297
02:31:09,820 --> 02:31:06,300
we also detect this this this this and

3298
02:31:14,170 --> 02:31:09,830
this no poor lad data on I'm sorry

3299
02:31:17,060 --> 02:31:14,180
correlated data various sensing sources

3300
02:31:21,350 --> 02:31:17,070
exactly but we didn't have any model

3301
02:31:23,810 --> 02:31:21,360
before that gave us the idea that gee we

3302
02:31:27,200 --> 02:31:23,820
want to put the barometer in the EMF

3303
02:31:29,000 --> 02:31:27,210
meter together before what would

3304
02:31:31,070 --> 02:31:29,010
barometric pressure have to do with

3305
02:31:33,680 --> 02:31:31,080
electromagnetic fields we didn't have

3306
02:31:35,300 --> 02:31:33,690
any way to reckon it we were like

3307
02:31:37,750 --> 02:31:35,310
looking at the three thousand year old

3308
02:31:40,820 --> 02:31:37,760
night sky and seeing crystalline spheres

3309
02:31:42,560 --> 02:31:40,830
this theory allows us to look in the

3310
02:31:44,510 --> 02:31:42,570
night sky and see the universe for

3311
02:31:46,670 --> 02:31:44,520
exactly what it is and that we could

3312
02:31:48,650 --> 02:31:46,680
begin to develop build devices on that

3313
02:31:50,840 --> 02:31:48,660
model I'm really liking this gene oh

3314
02:31:52,940 --> 02:31:50,850
yeah this is a way to start bringing a

3315
02:31:55,490 --> 02:31:52,950
lot of this together the only thing I

3316
02:31:57,800 --> 02:31:55,500
worry about is whether people who study

3317
02:31:59,900 --> 02:31:57,810
the paranormal can be brought together

3318
02:32:01,640 --> 02:31:59,910
to consider a unified theory because you

3319
02:32:03,110 --> 02:32:01,650
will have this group that says okay UFOs

3320
02:32:05,450 --> 02:32:03,120
or spaceships let's worry about them

3321
02:32:07,160 --> 02:32:05,460
forget about the ghosts we don't want to

3322
02:32:07,850 --> 02:32:07,170
deal with ghosts and poltergeists and

3323
02:32:11,240 --> 02:32:07,860
things like that

3324
02:32:16,600 --> 02:32:11,250
baby steps gene baby steps sure what we

3325
02:32:20,480 --> 02:32:16,610
have to do is to build a foundation of

3326
02:32:24,590 --> 02:32:20,490
credibility not only in integrity but

3327
02:32:27,170 --> 02:32:24,600
also in scientific method and when we do

3328
02:32:31,280 --> 02:32:27,180
that it will begin to carry on its

3329
02:32:33,950 --> 02:32:31,290
momentum and become mainstream it will

3330
02:32:36,500 --> 02:32:33,960
become the establishment and some of

3331
02:32:39,530 --> 02:32:36,510
these other factions within the

3332
02:32:42,260 --> 02:32:39,540
paranormal community will become fringe

3333
02:32:45,080 --> 02:32:42,270
it's like what I talked about when I was

3334
02:32:48,590 --> 02:32:45,090
prospecting for paranormal radio shows

3335
02:32:50,810 --> 02:32:48,600
I'd come upon a site where now you'd

3336
02:32:54,020 --> 02:32:50,820
hear the weird music play and you'd see

3337
02:32:56,360 --> 02:32:54,030
bats fly and the investigators are all

3338
02:32:59,600 --> 02:32:56,370
dressed in Gothic clothes with demonic

3339
02:33:01,820 --> 02:32:59,610
tattoos and black fingernail polish with

3340
02:33:05,180 --> 02:33:01,830
flashlights under their faces and make

3341
02:33:07,130 --> 02:33:05,190
them look weird that has to go away

3342
02:33:08,270 --> 02:33:07,140
well you'd only have the weird music

3343
02:33:10,910 --> 02:33:08,280
with not the rest

3344
02:33:13,940 --> 02:33:10,920
oh really only way that's going to go

3345
02:33:16,490 --> 02:33:13,950
away is to make them fringe the only way

3346
02:33:16,970 --> 02:33:16,500
to make them fringe is to establish a

3347
02:33:20,180 --> 02:33:16,980
man

3348
02:33:21,650 --> 02:33:20,190
Stream solid foundation based on

3349
02:33:24,201 --> 02:33:21,660
reasoning and science

3350
02:33:26,600 --> 02:33:24,211
yes we're all Fringe though that's the

3351
02:33:29,841 --> 02:33:26,610
problem the problem is we're all lumped

3352
02:33:31,881 --> 02:33:29,851
in the same basket this is fringe this

3353
02:33:34,610 --> 02:33:31,891
is your foes as well ghost this is

3354
02:33:36,470 --> 02:33:34,620
fringe it's not let's have a mainstream

3355
02:33:37,970 --> 02:33:36,480
basket with scientific researchers

3356
02:33:41,030 --> 02:33:37,980
trying to figure out what's going on and

3357
02:33:43,671 --> 02:33:41,040
let's put the wackos aside but then

3358
02:33:46,341 --> 02:33:43,681
since we're still building on an

3359
02:33:49,841 --> 02:33:46,351
emerging reality where do we say these

3360
02:33:53,451 --> 02:33:49,851
are the wackos well we don't have to

3361
02:33:57,650 --> 02:33:53,461
once it begins to build as a legitimate

3362
02:34:00,140 --> 02:33:57,660
science as it should be the wackos will

3363
02:34:03,621 --> 02:34:00,150
go away they'll go the way of the patent

3364
02:34:05,751 --> 02:34:03,631
medicine guy that used to sell the the

3365
02:34:07,520 --> 02:34:05,761
you know the dope off the back of the

3366
02:34:09,650 --> 02:34:07,530
wagons in the 1800s

3367
02:34:11,390 --> 02:34:09,660
you mean they still don't do that you

3368
02:34:14,631 --> 02:34:11,400
know they still do that by the way but

3369
02:34:17,930 --> 02:34:14,641
now it's done on TV if you lose weight

3370
02:34:21,051 --> 02:34:17,940
you can cure arthritis or something like

3371
02:34:23,511 --> 02:34:21,061
that's the same stuff but you understand

3372
02:34:26,240 --> 02:34:23,521
that the point I'm trying to make for

3373
02:34:27,680 --> 02:34:26,250
example let's take the big foot I can

3374
02:34:30,440 --> 02:34:27,690
guarantee you that there's a certain

3375
02:34:32,180 --> 02:34:30,450
percentage of Bigfoot researchers that

3376
02:34:34,640 --> 02:34:32,190
when they go to bed at night they kneel

3377
02:34:37,251 --> 02:34:34,650
down and pray to whomever whatever God

3378
02:34:41,240 --> 02:34:37,261
they believe in that no one ever ever

3379
02:34:43,520 --> 02:34:41,250
ever drags in a body because the moment

3380
02:34:45,711 --> 02:34:43,530
somebody drags in a body that expert

3381
02:34:47,480 --> 02:34:45,721
becomes a nobody they're out of business

3382
02:34:50,421 --> 02:34:47,490
it's kind of like we should pray that we

3383
02:34:52,551 --> 02:34:50,431
never discovered reality behind UFOs

3384
02:34:54,291 --> 02:34:52,561
either then maybe because we leave out

3385
02:34:56,810 --> 02:34:54,301
of business because mainstream science

3386
02:34:58,310 --> 02:34:56,820
will supplant all the researchers who've

3387
02:35:00,291 --> 02:34:58,320
been involved and they'll say okay it's

3388
02:35:00,951 --> 02:35:00,301
now our province get out of here yeah

3389
02:35:04,610 --> 02:35:00,961
bye

3390
02:35:07,480 --> 02:35:04,620
thanks but no thanks you know think

3391
02:35:09,820 --> 02:35:07,490
about all the people that make a living

3392
02:35:14,060 --> 02:35:09,830
talking about government conspiracies

3393
02:35:17,150 --> 02:35:14,070
and trying to uncover the UFO phenomena

3394
02:35:18,740 --> 02:35:17,160
that if it was finally understood all

3395
02:35:21,591 --> 02:35:18,750
those people would lose their jobs

3396
02:35:23,390 --> 02:35:21,601
they'd have to go find another gig find

3397
02:35:25,461 --> 02:35:23,400
another reality speaking of realities

3398
02:35:27,020 --> 02:35:25,471
tell our listeners we're at Thomas Fusco

3399
02:35:30,110 --> 02:35:27,030
they can find more of the things that

3400
02:35:30,830 --> 02:35:30,120
you write about well all the information

3401
02:35:34,069 --> 02:35:30,840
on my book

3402
02:35:39,380 --> 02:35:34,079
we're to order it amazon.com having a

3403
02:35:43,429 --> 02:35:39,390
sale on it right now the related

3404
02:35:45,620 --> 02:35:43,439
articles my blog everything including a

3405
02:35:57,170 --> 02:35:45,630
contact email address if you want to get

3406
02:35:59,389 --> 02:35:57,180
ahold of me is that www.koco.com for the

3407
02:36:02,120 --> 02:35:59,399
book chapter one so you can check

3408
02:36:03,740 --> 02:36:02,130
chapter one under radio appearances we

3409
02:36:06,080 --> 02:36:03,750
are soon going to be included there

3410
02:36:08,990 --> 02:36:06,090
we're not there yet but we will be there

3411
02:36:11,269 --> 02:36:09,000
shortly and you're also with barb Adams

3412
02:36:13,280 --> 02:36:11,279
my friend over at Radio America on GCN

3413
02:36:15,830 --> 02:36:13,290
she's a good friend of ours Chris

3414
02:36:18,590 --> 02:36:15,840
O'Brien you're a new sight our strange

3415
02:36:21,979 --> 02:36:18,600
planet calm it's slowly coming together

3416
02:36:24,439 --> 02:36:21,989
and it'll be here soon yep yeah it's a

3417
02:36:27,830 --> 02:36:24,449
paranormal event but we're gonna solve

3418
02:36:29,120 --> 02:36:27,840
it alright Thomas I really this has been

3419
02:36:32,929 --> 02:36:29,130
a real pleasure to have you on the show

3420
02:36:35,540 --> 02:36:32,939
thank you for finding us we really enjoy

3421
02:36:36,920 --> 02:36:35,550
you're grounded scientific insight and I

3422
02:36:38,750 --> 02:36:36,930
look forward to possibly working with

3423
02:36:40,760 --> 02:36:38,760
you in the future that would be great

3424
02:36:55,031 --> 02:36:40,770
thanks so much for having me on I really

3425
02:37:01,551 --> 02:36:58,551
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3426
02:37:04,421 --> 02:37:01,561
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3427
02:37:08,151 --> 02:37:04,431
presentation of making the impossible